Genealogy Chat

I also looked at the censuses for 1871 and 1881, but have not posted them ........... Charles birth year is always 1831 and birth place Little Bolton, so no further help in finding him before the 1841 Census

He died between 1881 and 1891

Jane is on the 1891, Widow, Charwoman


I have been looking at and for Chimney Sweep Apprentices, but have nothing where he might be found.

Chimney Sweeps did have apprenticeships from at least early in the 18th century, and he would have signed at least a 7 year apprenticeship with William Greenwood, who seems to have been his Master.

That apprenticeship required the Master to provide lodging and food fro his apprenticeships ........ some Masters were dire, some were good, but the boys were stuck with them until the end of apprenticeship.

Charles would have joined William Greenwood some time between the ages of 7 and 10, if I understand what I have been reading. He could have been signed up by his parent, OR been claimed from an orphanage.

I should note that there are references to some Chimney Sweep Apprenticeships being for 14 years.

Charles is with William Greenwood in both 1841 and 1851 ................ he could have been, probably was, the Journeyman Sweep by that point running the business for the Master.

It does not seem to have been a very well paying job, certainly by 1881, as Jane seems to have back to work, and she is shown as a Charwoman in 1891, which implies she has very little money.


Barbara said earlier that Jane ended up the Workhouse, but then left and was living with a daughter when she died ................. it is important to note that the only hospital facility available for poor and many middle class people was at the Workhouse, and the fact that someone is "in" the Workhouse may often mean that they are in the Infirmary section, having gone there to receive treatment or even to have a baby.

All medical treatment had to be paid for ............. even the badly trained or untrained "midwife" from down the street. The Workhouse Infirmary was the only place to receive free treatment.

(that 1861 on Find My Past as below!, should be same if using Genes Records)

Chris :)

Huhne Charles 1831 - 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Little Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

(28, Water Street, Little Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire)

oh dear!

No wonder Barbara couldn't find them!

Sylvia - I'd been squinting at the board for a couple of hours when I posted earlier. I later found that a lense had fallen out of my glasses - it presumably is on the floor under something. I've got some spare pairs, but it's annoying to waste $3.50 - I hope the lense turns up - and not underfoot.

Anyway, I misread 1861 as 1851 - there are no problems with any census for Bolton 1861-1911.. The only oddity is 2 1871 piece numbers were assigned and not used, viz rg10/3922 & rg10/3923. They would have been assigned to Hulton &/or Westhoughton subdistrict(s).

Sylvia - Here's the FS/FMP census you posted 1/8/2016 21:31
1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M71N-PK5
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 2772 / 112 Page Number 28

Thos is again transcribed as a Salt Reeler.
As you know, I don't have access to the image - I wonder if it says Silk Reeler.

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1859
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HULME Charles RANICAR Jane Bolton, St Peter Bolton 18/20/375

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1859
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HULME Caroline Eastern Bolton Bolton RENNIKER EB/41/243

mgnv .........

how awful to lose the lens. I hope you can find it!

I'd be lost if that happened to me!!


you posted .......

Here's the FS/FMP census you posted 1/8/2016 21:31
1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M71N-PK5
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 2772 / 112 Page Number 28

Thos is again transcribed as a Salt Reeler.
As you know, I don't have access to the image - I wonder if it says Silk Reeler
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safc actually posted that census first, on 1 Aug 2016 21:05, and I looked at what ancestry had for the same people, largely because the ages are so very different.


I looked at the image on ancestry, and I am certain that it actually says Salt DEALER ....... and that makes more sense than Reeler!!

Thank you so much for this xx

I actually saw them making thread out of a mineral once.
After I graduated, I had a job interview with ICI on the N Yorks coast, just E of Middlesboro.
In spite of this, I think Salt Dealer is much more reasonable.

Re my glasses - they're not prescription, just magnifiers I buy from the Dollar Store (my arms got too short). The thing that surprised me is that I wore them for maybe 2 hrs before I noticed there was a lense missing. Consequently I wandered all over the apt - at the PC, making coffee, etc, etc.

Thank you so much for the fantastic help you have given me. I never expected such help and information. On behalf of all of my family past and present Thank you xxx :-)

After I graduated, I taught near Northwich, Middlewich etc in Cheshire, an area that was undermined by salt mines that were first worked in Roman times and up to the current day....... there were sink holes every now and again due to the undermining of the towns and villages around. Saxa salt is mined near Middlewich

Wigan is not that far away

That's what made me think that Salt Dealer was far more likely than Reeler.


mgnv ............ have you found the lens??

I wear prescription readers with graduation for computer us, so I'd be going frantic, partly because I'd be having difficulty seeing but also because of the cost!

mgnv.............................The 'bird' in Hindley is still going strong. :-D

Cynthia - thanks for the update. The Bird used to be my wife's local.

Sylvia - I only know one salt mine sinkhole story, but it's pretty fantastic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI

You're welcome mgnv. I go to St. Peter's across the road, so pass the Bird regularly. :-D