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Nellie....

This family throws up more contradictions than enough when looking at them....
According to the MC of Mary Morrison (Mayfair St.) and Patrick Turley in Oct.1917 they are both listed as being of full age..eg 21..well considering she was only 14 yrs on the 1911 Census that's a bit of a stretch....Patrick as I have sussed out was also about the same age....found some bits relating to him..
He was at the time of their marriage a Soldier in Royal Irish Fusiliers and appears to have been a POW in Germany. There was a notice plus photo of him in the Belfast Eve.Telegragh in May 1918 requesting any news of him by Mary (27 Mayfair St.)

The above was historical info.supplied by his grandson 2011 Belfast Forum.

Erin ...You have worked so hard thank you ever so much . I searched Irish sites and looked at .. Ulster Historical Foundation it has 3 different names for James in a marriage of 1874 ( David, Hugh , and James , ) I think i should check these out and see where it takes me , I will also look at the Threads you have sent me Thank you Nellie

Nellie the details below are from your thread Irish mothers....




Nellie123 Report 13 Dec 2016 16:09


I sent a message to someone with Mary Mcmanus in her tree and she sent this Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 21-Nov-1874
Parish / District: BELFAST County: Co. Antrim
Husband Wife
Name: James Morrison Mary McManus
Address: Kent Street Pinkerton's Row
Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: David Morrison Charles McManus
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: John Layden Mary McManus
Address:
Notes:
Church: ST PATRICK'S BELFAST Roman Catholic
DISP FROM DR MARNER REV J OHARA. nt me hope it helps as i am confused and not sure what i am doing thank you nellie


I would suggest this is from Roots Ire. and entry will be in the St Patricks Register. possibly still at the Church or in the NLI and not yet transcribed on line...

Going back to the "family" marriages you are trying to locate....I have looked through James Morrison and Mary McManus Children and found the following....

Charles Morrison married Alice Sands daughter of Bernard Sands 6 November 1897 at St Peters RC Church Belfast.
Alice Sands Morrison 23yrs died 18 January 1899 at her parents home 110 Servia St.Her mother Alice was in attendance.
Death due to Bronchitis for 2 months.
Can find no children of this marriage.

Charles subsequently married again Nov.21 1917 to Mary Jane Delaney nee Keenan. Charles was living at Mayfair St. .with his parents Mary at the time was living 22 Mayfair St.

Mary Morrison married Patrick Turley 15 October 1917 at St Patricks.

I believe the following sad story relates to one of Alice Sands Morrison brothers' Peter...

Peter married Elizabeth McGann (McGahan) 26 Nov.1906 and went on to have a daughter Mary b 1908.
Peter was a Lance Corporal in the Royal Irish Rifles (8225) and was subsequently Court Martialled he was one of those "Shot at Dawn" 15 September 1915.

If you google 74 Abyssinia Street Belfast 1915 there is lots about the circumstances of his Court Martial and death.....

Elizabeth in 1911 was living with her Stepfather John McGahan/McGann. Theodore St.

Yes Erin I will see if the person that gave me this info of James and Mary can say where she got it from ( im sure she said Rootsireland ) but she also gave David for James,s father , This family searching is not easy , Thank god for all you helpers , I did not know that Rosemary st church was not RC . AustinQ gave me a link for William Morrison ,s army file and it also mentions St Patrick,s as the parish William came from and his next of kin was Wife Hannah Morrison and mother Mary Morrison who was living at 25 Mayfair st . I have tried going through each person in the family to see if I could find a marriage , When Ann wed Patrick McFadden in Nov 15th 1913 she to lived at 25 Mayfair st and her father was James on the wedding Cert .. I think it is James and Mary as in the old days children were named after the family relatives and as far as I know there is no Hugh in the family that I know of ... many thanks Nellie

Yes Austin I have tried this one when you find a birth or death it gives the image to look at but not with the marriage , Or have I not searched properly many thanks Nellie

Nellie....The Registers for St Patricks for the years in question relating to James and Mary McManus are not available/ ?missing as I mentioned in an earlier post so I don't know where the info re James and Mary marrying there originated from can you not get back to the source of your info....I cannot find anything on the Civil Marriage Reg. either.
Will have a look re Hugh Morrison and see what I can find for you...but you do realise Rosemary St. Church is a Presbyterian Church not RC so are you on the correct trail with James and Mary....?

Hi Erin I am still looking for James Morrison and Mary Mcmanus . my Husbands cousin is on Ancestry and he has a Hugh Morrison born Rosemary st church Belfast and a Margaret Clark for the wife , He also has William Morrison 1882 as a step brother to the rest of the family , I have searched but not found anything relating to them . I think I should do a course or something like it to learn how to do this searching , I have tried going upwards year from year then going the opposite way , I think it is back to stage one and start all over again thank you Nellie

Hello again Nellie...Who's marriage is it your after...?

Have you tried this site?

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Hi Can someone please advise me as to which Irish site would be the best one to find marriages that also gives the parent or parents names , I have tried Ancestry but did,nt find it very helpful . Thank you Nellie

Thank you Rootgatherer Helen

If you want to send a message to a helper who has responded on your thread, just click on their name (in the green text at the top of their answer). This will open another box where you can type in a message. Remember to enter something in the subject box or it won't send.

Helen..You can send a Personal Message...look at the bar across the top of the page where it says Messages..when a member sends you a message it shows that you have 1/2/3 messages...just click on the message box and read the message....

I will send one now to show you...

Hi all if I want to send a message or ask a question to a G/R helper that has already given me some information how do i contact them or is this not allowed many thanks Nellie

Hi Glasgowlass thanks for that i think you are right as my husband has a good memory at least he did before his stroke i have mentioned what you have said and he agree,s as he was born 1949 so he would be 4 going on 5 thank you again Nellie

Nellie,
The 1953 death is the only record that I can see which would fit

The next death on Groni for anyone called Hannah Morrison is 1964 but this lady was only 62yrs old ( b1902) and her death was registered in Larne.

There are no more deaths in NI for this name before 1997

Edit :
My mother in law could clearly recall her own grandmother.
I have no doubt about my MIL's memory
She too "thought" she was about 6 or 7 when she last visited her granny..
My mother in law was just 3yrs old when her granny died!

my husband say,s he can remember visiting his granny Hannah and thinks he was about 6/7 the last time he saw her but i cant find anything matching his date which would be about 1956/57 but i will keep trying Nellie

Thank you everyone these links have worked Nellie

There is this website -

http://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/milltown-cemetery-belfast/

But you'd have to become a member to view the Milltown Cemetery records.

Thank you for the above AgyllGran and GlasgowLass ..will give me something to go on with until Nellie gets something more concrete to work with..