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Possible earlier marriage?

First name(s) William John
Last name Morrison
Registration year 1903
Registered Quarter/Year Apr - Jun 1903
Registration district Belfast
Volume 1 Page 331

William John Morrison married one of these people:
Ellen Pitt,
Isabella Hayes,
Jane Kirkpatrick,
Grace Brooke Hamilton

Country Ireland
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If this was a sister, then you have the wrong birth date:

Name Jane Morrisson
Gender Female
Birth Date 11 Jun 1880
Birthplace Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Father's Name James Morrisson
Mother's Name Mary Morrisson Mcmanus

Haven't time to check it now as I have to go out but there is a 12 year old Elizabeth Morrison with grandparents James and Mary Morrison in 1911. In 1901 she is a granddaughter with the Lawless family.

I get most of my information on Familysearch.org

Nellie- what are the facts that you are certain about?

Are you certain that your husband's Grandad married Hannah O'Hagan?

If you are certain of this then it appears that you have the wrong date of birth for William and the wrong parents.

Do you know when and where William and Hannah died?

to be honest i don,t really have any facts when i first tried looking for william according to some of my little notes i had him born in 1882 then for some reason i have changed it to 1880 ,i remember my mother in law saying granny Hannah was only 4 feet tall but when she wanted one of her sons they dropped what they were doing and went ,i have no idea where william and Hannah died i just assumed it was Ireland my husbands father came over to England about 1957 to look for work then his wife and family joined him in 1959 and they lived in Yorkshire im sorry i don,t know much about the family but it show,s we should have asked more when they were alive Nellie

If your William was married to Hannah O'Hagan they are in the 1911 Census in Belfast, as you find,William's parents James Morrison and Mary McManus lived in 13 Mayfair Street in 1911 census. The other family of James and Agnes McAULEY
will not be yours as their son William was still single by 1911.

children of James Morrison and Mary McManus

Jane 14 Kent Street June 1880

*WILLIAM 16 Kent Street 14 May 1882 take no notice of exact day month as Birth baptism and reg dates can all be slightly different, a Catholic may go by Baptism date rather than Birth Date.

James and Margaret Morrison 7 Gardiner Street 16 June 1884
Mary Jane Gardiner Street May 1887
David James 35 Stanhope ST June 1891
Elizabeth Mar 1894
Hanna 1875
Charles born in Scotland according to census of 1911.

The marriages in 1903 William Morrison I have matched the other people and the only couple left are William Morrison and Ellen Pitt, there are no records on Rootsireland for this marriage or children to this couple.

Maureen The only Ellen Pitt I can find 1901 is living in Crimea Street with sister and Bro in law Rbt. Heany she is 27 which if it was her marrying Wm J Morrison would make her a good few years older plus she is Pres.

This would be Mary Morrison (wife of James) 1901

Residents of a house 37.2 in Glenpark Street (Clifton Ward, Antrim)

Morrison Hannah 25 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Flax Spinner Read - Not Married -
Morrison Margaret 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Flax Spinner Read - Not Married -
Morrison Jane 14 Female Daughter
**Morrison Mary** 40 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic Belfast House Keeper Cannot read write - Married -
Morrison David 10 Male Son
Morrison Patrick 1 Male Son

Charles b Scotland (1911 Census) is a Private in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers in Victoria Barracks Henry St.

Hi Eringobragh

I did see the 1901 census for Mary and family, I cant locate the child Patrick birth 1900c also Mary is shown as 40yrs yet aged 60 in 1911 I do know the census can be "out" but 20yrs is a lot.

Its unusual for no marriage to show on Roots unless its been miscribed. I was wondering if the child Patrick was a child of Marys son William or even Charles as he was shown as widower.

We have done well to unravel the family this far.

Well I thought the same as you re Mary's age given eldest daughter Hannah was 25 I am thinking Mary was nearer 50 than 40 mind she could have been in her 40's when she had Patrick...Charles is not married on the Barrack Returns.

Oh my you have all done so well and i will now have to rearrange my husbands family ,I am ever so greatful for your help you have done Fantastic thank you Nellie

Patrick's birth was registered as John Patrick- his service record confirms it's him living at 27 Mayfair Street, Belfast- parents James and Mary:

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription
First name(s) John Patrick
Last name Morrison
Age 18
Birth year 1898
Birth town Shankill
Birth county Antrim
Service number 4/24527
Regiment Royal Irish Fusiliers
Unit / Battalion 4th Battalion
Year 1916
Residence town Belfast
Series WO 364

1911: Residents of a house 13 in Mayfair Street (Clifton, Antrim)
Morrison James 60 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Morrison Mary 61 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Morrison Hannah 35 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Charles 33 Male Son Roman Catholic
Morrison Ann 21 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Elizabeth 17 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison David 20 Male Son Roman Catholic
Morrison Mary 14 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Patrick 11 Male Son Roman Catholic
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Now we know that William was born and married as just William (no John), I'm thinking the 1903 marriage is unlikely to be his first marriage?

This maybe coincidence but when William marries Hannah in 1906 both give their address as 70 Ardilea Street. According to this army record for an unmarried William Morrison (signed up April 1898), his address is 101 Ardilea street. It doesn't give any next of kin, but does show he deserted a couple of times before rejoining in 1901-1906

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
First name(s) William
Last name Morrison
Birth year 1881
Birth parish Shankhill
Birth town Belfast
Birth county Antrim
Birth country Ireland
Service number 2684
Year 1898
Attestation date 19 Apr 1898
Attestation age years 17
Attestation service number 2684
Attestation corps R Ir Rifles
Document type Attestation
Series WO 96 - Militia service records 1806-1915

Probably useless snippets, but just in case:

Ardilea Street -
In 1880 a Joseph Morrison (occupation - sorter) lived at 113.
In 1890, 1901, 1907, 1908, 1918, there were no Morrisons in the street.
In 1910, there's a George Morrison , labourer, at no 37.

In 1908, there was a Mary Hagen in no 70 (could this be a relation of Hannah O'Hagan?). That's one of the addresses in William & Hannah's marriage record as posted by Maureen on page 1.

In 1907, at 27 Mayfair Street, which is the other address given in that marriage record, there's a Hannah Morrison, and at 29, there's a William Morrison, labourer
In 1908, Hannah Morrison is at no 27.
In 1910, Hanna Morrison is at no 25.
In 1918, she's back at no 27.
In 1924, she's not in Mayfair Street.

In 1910, 26 Parkview, where William and Hannah were in 1911, is vacant.
In 1918, there's a William Morrison, labourer, at no 27, and a George Morrison, labourer, at no 20.

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/BSD1943.htm

In 1910, 13 Mayfair Street (mentioned in AQ's post at 06:39 above), was vacant, so the Morrison family couldn't have been there long before the 1911 census.

Re the 1901 posted by Eringobragh yesterday at 19:11, showing Morrisons at 37 Glenpark Street

when the 1901 street directory was compiled, there was a G Morrison, labourer, at no 33, but there was a P Mulholland at no 37.

October 1924 a James Morrison was at 27 Mayfair Street- he's listed in the paper :

Northern Whig - Monday 20 October 1924

Titled: Republican Foray on Ulster

Thank you everyone this little lot is going to keep me busy for a while Thank you ever so much kind regards Nellie

Nellie123

Unless you get the Marriage Cert or Details from St Patricks Church Reg. confirming who is who and if this in fact your family then we could be chasing down the wrong road

Nellie123

Just to confirm that the post 18/07/12.28 by AustinQ re James Morrison would in fact be James Morrison father of Wm. He was still alive at that time .

James Morrison applied for a Military pension (1922) for son David and also on behalf of Hannah David's sister, address was 27 Mayfair St.

I can let you know the circumstances of his death if you believe this family is your husband's.

The more i read and think of all leads i have been given i really do believe this could be the family i have asked about i would like to know how he died please if you don,t mind Nellie