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I did wonder if it was the writing on the 1939 register, an open topped 'a'. Most of the other 'a's on the page are close topped, but the Framleys on the page have slightly open topped 'a's.

Did the informant give the wrong year of birth on his death??


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) HENRY
Last name MOSELEY
Gender Male
Birth day 25
Birth month 1
Birth year 1896
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1972
District BINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 3C
Page 236
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom

I double checked his birth date on teh 1939 Register ......

it is definitely 25 Jun 1898 .............. yet the baptism record for Henry Moseley, posted on p. 1, says born 25 Jan 1898

I'll see if I can check that image for the baptism

Kucinta ..............

Thanks

I wondered if that was it, but wasn't too sure!!

I think it's Central Ordinance Works, Sylvia. First two words might be Ordinance Depot rather than Ordinance Dept, I think an 'o' might have been inserted in orange? same with 'Works', it's been modified and an 's' stuck on the end in orange.

Henry Moseley on the 1939 Register

Moseley Household (3 People) Garage Bingham Road , Bingham R.D., Nottinghamshire, England

Henry Moseley 25 Jun 1898 Conway Leader Hard Ordnance Department ?
Violet J Moseley 23 Mar 1897 House Duties
Harriett Crossley 09 May 1867 House Duties

There is one closed record between Violet and Harriett Crossley, presumably their child

Harriett is shown as Widow.

Henry's occupation is hard to read ............. I think it is more like "Conway (or Convoy) Leading Man (?), Ordnance Department, Central (two indecipherable words)

Doesn't help your quest, but just in case you don't have it, your grandparents on the 1939 register:

Moseley Household (3 People) Garage Bingham Road , Bingham R.D., Nottinghamshire, England

Henry Moseley 25 Jun 1898 Male Conway Leader Hard Ordnance Department ? Married 40 1
Violet J Moseley 23 Mar 1897 Female House Duties Married 40 2
Harriett Crossley 09 May 1867 Female House Duties

There is also a closed record, probably for a child of theirs.

Likely marriage for the possible adoptive parents?

Marriages Dec 1881

GARTON Georgeiana Nottingham 7b 625
MOSELEY John Henry Nottingham 7b 625

Posting in case we can find a link to Gervase's birth father's family.

EDIT: I seem to be cross posting with everyone, Chris, Sylvia....

Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
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GARTON Georgeiana Nottingham 7b 625
MOSELEY John Henry Nottingham 7b 625

Chris :)

Deaths Sep 1923 (>99%)
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MOSELEY Georgiana 60 Nottingham 7b 206

and in 1901

1901 Census

Name: John H Moseley
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Georgiana Moseley
Birth Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Nottingham
Search Photos: Search for 'Nottingham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 31

Piece: 3176
Folio: 40
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 25

John H Moseley 38 Steam Engine Driver
Georgiana Moseley 38
Henry Moseley 3

Address:- 348 St Ann's Well Rd

???

A steam driver here, and son Henry said to be born Nottinghamshire...

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

348, St Anns Well Road, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

John H Moseley Head Married Male 38 1863 Steam Engin Driver Nottinghamshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<
Georgiana Moseley Wife Married Female 38 1863 - -
Henry Moseley Son Single Male 3 1898 - Nottinghamshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<

Just the one child, and the couple aren't that young... so did they marry late, or have fertility problems?

EDIT: looks like the same family in that 1911 census posted by Sylvia as I was typing...

This looks the family in 1911

1911 Census

Name: John Henry Moseley
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Nottingham
Search Photos: Search for 'Nottingham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: White House Old Lenton Nottingham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Stationary Engine Driver,, Rope and Twine Works <<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Nottingham
Registration District Number: 430
Sub-registration district: Nottingham South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 20491

John Henry Moseley 50
Georgeiana Moseley 50 b.ca 1861, Doncaster, Nottinghamshire <<<< says Yorkshire on image!
Henry Moseley 13 b.ca 1898, Nottingham, Son, Scholar

Married 30 years, 1 child bron

(maybe below Company)

Chris :)

17 August 1933 - Nottingham Evening Post - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

CHARGE AGAINST NOTTINGHAM MOTORIST.
Herbert Edwards Coates, 46, rope and twine manufacturer, of 239, Derby-road, Nottingham, pleaded guilty at the Guildhall to-day to being charge of a motor car...


25 September 1935 - Nottingham Evening Post - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

COATES & SON'S (HERBERT COATES. * • Proprietor), SPRING CLOSE, LENTON, NOTTINGHAM. Rope and Twine Manufacturers. Established 1840 I have closed my Retail Premises in Nottingham, and am working this business direct from ...”

The baptism Chris found, for Henry Moseley with same birthdate as Gervase Valentine Lincoln looks exceedingly promising. So looks like he was probably adopted at a young age .

I don't know if 'my' Emily/Emilie is right, just a young girl with the right name in the rightish location, but where is the connection that led the Moseleys to adopting Gervase?

Is the link through his father or his mother, or neither?

The nearest Kelly's directory to 1930 is 1910/11. There is a John Henry Moseley in that, shown as a draughtsman, living at Colwyn Villa, Alma Street. He could have progressed to being manager by 1930, at one of the firms shown below.

There is also a Percy Moseley, shown as a Manager, but it doesn't say where!! He lived at 6, Haddon Road.


ROPE & TWINE SPINNERS
& DEALERS.
Brice George H. 20 St. Mary's gate
Coates W. & Sons, Springclose works; 28 Milton street & St. Mary's gate
Hardman, Ingham & Dawson (J. Hingley), 3I-33 Stoney street
Metcalf Joseph, 19 Leen side
Riley Samuel, soa, High pavement
Simpson L. F. & Co. 21 Forman st. & works, Park road, L

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Nottingham
Church name St Ann
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 30 Oct 1898
Birth date 25 Jan 1898
Person forename Henry
Person sex M
Person abode 6 Beverley St
Father surname MOSELEY

(from below link, if relating, Birthdate matching!)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

edits (Couple below at 8 Beverley Street 1901. occ. Rope Maker. George Clark at 6)

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Mortiboys Thomas Nottingham 7b 456
Staton Elizabeth Naomi Nottingham 7b 456

Hello,Thankyou everybody.I am not sure who I have answered.The lines Kucinta sent are very promising and I will try to phone the church again on Monday,re his ?mother Emily Turner.
KathleenBell,I have his marriage certificate,He was known as Henry Moseley and was married on 12 March 1930 to my grandmother in the county of , Nottingham and Leicester ,District of Bingham.It says Violet Irene Crosby but on the 1911 census,she is only known as Irene Crosby.14 years.Not Violet.)
His father was stated as John Henry Moseley,Manager in a Rope and Twine factory.Nottingham.
AustenQ.That was very interesting about all the Sullivans living at 39,Lysons Road.That was supposed to be the address that was given at 1898 on my grandads birth cert.
Regards,Rita

What name was your grandfather known by? When and where did he marry?

Have you found his mother on any census? Have you found a marriage for her?

Kath. x

Sullivan family at address in 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
39, Lysons Road, Aldershot (Hants), Farnham, Surrey, England

Daniel Sullivan Head Married Male 47 1854 Hawker London, Middlesex, England
Emily Sullivan Wife Married Female 43 1858 - London, Middlesex, England
Albert Sullivan Son Single Male 17 1884 Hawker London, Middlesex, England
Amos Sullivan Son - Male 15 1886 - London, Middlesex, England
Catherine Sullivan Daughter - Female 14 1887 - London, Middlesex, England
Rosenia Sullivan Daughter - Female 9 1892 - London, Middlesex, England

I can't see any Mos*l*ys with anything to do with ropes in either 1901 or 1911 in Nottinghamshire.