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Likely marriage for the possible adoptive parents?

Marriages Dec 1881

GARTON Georgeiana Nottingham 7b 625
MOSELEY John Henry Nottingham 7b 625

Posting in case we can find a link to Gervase's birth father's family.

EDIT: I seem to be cross posting with everyone, Chris, Sylvia....

Doesn't help your quest, but just in case you don't have it, your grandparents on the 1939 register:

Moseley Household (3 People) Garage Bingham Road , Bingham R.D., Nottinghamshire, England

Henry Moseley 25 Jun 1898 Male Conway Leader Hard Ordnance Department ? Married 40 1
Violet J Moseley 23 Mar 1897 Female House Duties Married 40 2
Harriett Crossley 09 May 1867 Female House Duties

There is also a closed record, probably for a child of theirs.

Henry Moseley on the 1939 Register

Moseley Household (3 People) Garage Bingham Road , Bingham R.D., Nottinghamshire, England

Henry Moseley 25 Jun 1898 Conway Leader Hard Ordnance Department ?
Violet J Moseley 23 Mar 1897 House Duties
Harriett Crossley 09 May 1867 House Duties

There is one closed record between Violet and Harriett Crossley, presumably their child

Harriett is shown as Widow.

Henry's occupation is hard to read ............. I think it is more like "Conway (or Convoy) Leading Man (?), Ordnance Department, Central (two indecipherable words)

I think it's Central Ordinance Works, Sylvia. First two words might be Ordinance Depot rather than Ordinance Dept, I think an 'o' might have been inserted in orange? same with 'Works', it's been modified and an 's' stuck on the end in orange.

Kucinta ..............

Thanks

I wondered if that was it, but wasn't too sure!!

I double checked his birth date on teh 1939 Register ......

it is definitely 25 Jun 1898 .............. yet the baptism record for Henry Moseley, posted on p. 1, says born 25 Jan 1898

I'll see if I can check that image for the baptism

Did the informant give the wrong year of birth on his death??


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) HENRY
Last name MOSELEY
Gender Male
Birth day 25
Birth month 1
Birth year 1896
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1972
District BINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 3C
Page 236
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom

I did wonder if it was the writing on the 1939 register, an open topped 'a'. Most of the other 'a's on the page are close topped, but the Framleys on the page have slightly open topped 'a's.

There is this later marriage but not to Emily,

Could he have upped his name from George to Gervase to impress Emily.?


Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%)
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Lawn Clara Florence Cambridge 3b 1116
****Lincoln George Valentine**** Cambridge 3b 1116
Spencer Albert Edward Cambridge 3b 1116
Thurgood Sarah Ann Cambridge 3b 1116

that's a possibility, Kucinta!


EDIT ..... sorry meant the Jun vs Jan!!

Legalised adoption did not (added by editing!!) come into effect until mid 1927, so there are unlikely to be any records of Henry's adoption ..........

It does look from the records found so far that he was adopted as a tiny baby, certainly before October 1898 when he was baptised as Henry Moseley.

There could be a connection between his mother and the Moseley's, or it might be a matter of as third party adoption, through a church, orphanage, or some other society.


It looks more and more as though finding his birth father is unlikely ........ it might be one of the Elwes family, but doubtful that there is any way to prove it!!

His mother could have said she was married, and given any name she liked to the Registrar ........ you did not have to produce any documentation to provide that what you said was true. I think you still do not have to do that!

(that 1899 from Kay)

Chris :)

Cambridgeshire Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) GEORGE VALENTINE
Last name LINCOLN
Birth year 1873
Marriage year 1899
Marriage day 3
Marriage month Apr
Spouse's first name(s) CLARA FLORENCE
Spouse's last name LAWN
Place CAMBRIDGE, ST ANDREW THE LESS
Groom's first name(s) George Valentine
Groom's last name LINCOLN
Groom's marital status bac
Groom's age 26
Groom's occupation painter
Groom's residence of St Andrews, Gorleston
Groom's father's first name(s) Walter
Groom's father's occupation bricklayer
Bride's first name(s) Clara Florence
Bride's last name LAWN
Bride's marital status sp
Bride's age 29
Bride's residence of 21 Burleigh St
Bride's father's first name(s) Samuel Branch (decd)
Bride's father's occupation blacksmith
By licence or banns by banns


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Ludham
Church name St Catherine
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 545
Baptism date 6 Apr 1873
Person forename George Valentine
Person sex M
Person abode Ludham
Father forename Walter
Father surname LINCOLN
Father occupation Bricklayer
Mother forename Emma


Births Jun 1865 (>99%)
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LAWN Clara Florence Cambridge 3b 537


Cambridgeshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First Name CLARA FLORENCE
Last Name LAWN
Year Of Birth 1865
Baptism year 1865
Baptism date 04 Jun 1865
Abode of East Road
Place CAMBRIDGE, HOLY TRINITY
Mother's Given Name Mary Ann
Father's First Name Samuel Branch
Father occupation blacksmith

Birth for that George Valentine Lincoln?

Births Mar 1873 LINCOLN George Valentine Smallburgh 4b 4

George and Clara in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

17, Ferry Lane, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

George Lincoln Head Married Male 28 1873 House Painter Ludham, Norfolk, England
Clara Lincoln Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Cambridgeshire, England
Gladys Lincoln Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

and in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

5 Alexandria Cotts Bunn's Lane Southtown Great Yarmouth, Gorleston, Norfolk, England

George Lincoln Head Married Male Painter House 38 1873 Gudhan Norfolk
Clara Lincoln Wife Married Female - 41 1870 Cambridge Cambridgeshire
Gladys Lincoln Daughter - Female School 11 1900 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk
Gwendoline Lincoln Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk
Edward Lincoln Son - Male - 1 1910 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk

3 children born of the marriage and still living at time of census 1911.

No idea how to prove or disprove that George Valentine Lincoln and Gervase Valentine Lincoln might have been one and the same man though.

to set my own mind at rest .....

Harriett "Crossley" on the 1939 Register has to be Violet's Mother .........

1911 Census

Joseph Crosly 45 Insane Asylum Attendant
Harriet Crosly 43 Attendant's Wife
Elsie May Crosly 18 Attendant's Daughter, Pattern Maker (Lace)
Irene Crosly 14 Attendant's Daughter, Pattern Maker

Notts County Lunatic Asylum
Radcliffe on Trent, Notts.


Checking the 1939 Register, the hand writing could be interpreted as either Crossley or Crossby!

Not finding records for a George or Gervase Lincoln born Ludham in the military in the 1890s - the nearest I got was a George Lincoln born Attleborough, but I think that's too far away.

Not that Gervase was described as a soldier on his son's birth cert, but if he was discharged at Aldershot he might have hung around in the area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gervase_Elwes

Rita have a look at the ab0ve site and keep scrolling to bottom of the page.

You will see lots of info on Gervase born 1866, photos of him and info on his career
plus his family links.

Hope this works ok as I am not very good at technical things.

Best Wishes

(saw below for John Henry!)

Chris :)


02 June 1909 - Nottingham Evening Post - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

Moseley, White House. Spring Close, Lenton, Nottingham.
Irish Terrier Pups for Sale. 5 dogs, 2 bitches, 30s and 20s each.


(also sister of Irene Violet)

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Sneinton
Church name St Mathias
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 21 Aug 1895
Person forename Elsie May
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Woodhouse St
Father forename Joseph
Father surname CROSBY
Father occupation Asylum Attendant
Mother forename Harriet

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(also quite a few Newspaper items, relating to Gervase Elwes)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar

(his Probate 1921)

So he was also baptised by his birth Mum (no father listed)- now in Nottingham:

Nottinghamshire baptisms Transcription (available on FMP & FreeReg)

First name(s) Gervase Valentine
Last name Turner
Birth year -
Baptism year 1898
Baptism date 04 May 1898
Denomination Anglican
Church All Saints
Baptism place Nottingham
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Emily
Mother's last name Turner (Single woman)
Residence 10 Gamble St
County Nottinghamshire
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Unfortunately not at the same address in 1901:

1901:
10 Gamble Street, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
John Ashton Head Married Male 32 1869 Coachman Not Domestic Manchester, Lancashire
Mary D Ashton Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Belper, Derbyshire,
Robert E Ashton Son Single Male 10 1891 - Nottinghamshire,

That is interesting AustinQ.

It looks to me as if Emily lied about her marital condition on the birth registration and "made up" a father and surname for her child, but perhaps felt she had to be honest in church when having her son baptised.

Lysons Road in Aldershot is still there and is reasonably close to the railway station and the Register Office.

Kath. x