Genealogy Chat

I've looked at the image for the baptism of Jessie daur of Jessie, legitimate, that Margaret posted - and the rest of the page just has the child's name, the mother's name, and the parish from which admitted, for every child that was baptised. I e No father's names for anyone. So I think it must be children baptised from a workhouse infirmary or hospital or somesuch, and for some reason that's why only the mothers are listed.
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I strongly suspect the 1900 death for Andrew that I posted previously is correct.

Deaths Dec 1900 Gray Andrew 45 Islington 1b 154

Thank you Margaret M and Kucinta for all you help it is definately the right one that livd in blundell st .

I can only find a couple of baptisms for Andrew and Jessie's children:

Name: Charles Jesse Gray
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Apr 1888
Father's name: Andrew Gray
Mother's name: Jessie Gray
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Father a bedstead maker Born 24th Jan. Address 40 Halton Rd.

Name: Ada Ellen Gray
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Dec 1890
Father's name: Andrew Gray
Mother's name: Jessie Gray
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 12 Nov 1890 Address 4 Fowler Rd (see census 1891) Father a mattress maker

Kucinta that is defo the one because my nan told me she lived in Blundell St .

Kucinta think that could be the one it says Jessie is a widow could it be that Andrew Gray died if so when? Do you think that this is related to the first entry you put in of the marriage?

The two Jessies with Sarah Charles in 1911:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31 Blundell St Islington N, Islington, London, England


Jessie Gray Head Widow Female Charing 50 1861 Birmingham <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jessie Gray Daughter - Female School 13 1898 Islington
Sarah Charles Mother Widow Female No Occupation 78 1833 Wert Frayton

Given that Jessie is a widow in 1901, and she was living in Islington in 1891 with her husband, and in 1901 with her mother SARAH Ellen, as I posted tentatively previously, this might be the death for husband Andrew:

Deaths Dec 1900 Gray Andrew 45 Islington 1b 154

The age and location seem to fit, but it is a common name.

Sorry hope I am not confusing you but my Jessica Charles had a mother called Sarah and she went on to have a daughter called Jessie Gray.....does this help?

The 1897 Jessie Gray was born 25 April 1897, mother's name Jessie Gray, no father listed but does say legitimate.

Jessie Gray

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Record Image View

Name: Jessie Gray
Record Type: Birth
Estimated Birth Date: 25 Apr 1897
Mother's name: Jessie Gray
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Not sure if this is your two Jessies in 1901 or not. Jessie senior has gone back to being born in Birmingham:


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28, Maud Terrace, Islington, London, England

Sarah Ellen Charles Head Widow Female 69 1832 - West Drayton, Middlesex, England
Jessie Gray Daughter Widow Female 42 1859 Bottle Packer Birmingham, Warwickshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jessie Gray Grand Child Single Female 3 1898 - Holloway, Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<

Not sure where the other children are, had they left home?

Jessie Charles mother was called Sarah

Margaret - it's only the ages of 'my' couple taken from the 1876 marriage that helped me identify an alternate couple to yours, without that info either of our couples could have been equally viable, that's why I queried it with Beryl to see if she had anything further to help distinguish between them.

Kucinta no you are correct .

Census 1891:


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fowler Road, Islington, London, England


Andrew Gray Head Married Male 36 1855 Mattrass Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Jessie Gray Wife Married Female 33 1858 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Andrew J Gray Son - Male 14 1877 Van Boy Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Albert G Gray Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
George W Gray Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Charles J Gray Son - Male 3 1888 - Islington, Middlesex, England
Ada E Gray Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Islington, Middlesex, England

Kucinta the first one you entered is the right one they had a daughter Jessie Gray born 1897 approx.

Just to confirm that a Jessie Charles with a father named John Charles (as per the 1876 marriage) was born in Birmingham c1857/58 as per the census for 1881 that I posted (not for the Jessie of the couple that Margaret M posted that seem a bit older).

Beryl, are you sure my Jessie and Andrew are the right couple and not the Jessie and Andrew that Margaret M found?

Name: Jessie Charles
Baptism Date: 11 Oct 1857
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Thomas, Warwickshire, England
Father: John Charles
Mother: Sarah Charles
Reference Number: DRO 11
Archive Roll: M70

Image says address is Granville St and Father Charles is a labourer.

I think this might be the couple who married in 1876, going by the ages for the couple in the 1876 marriage that I posted, with the bride aged 19, and the groom aged 22, in 1876.

Census 1881

36, Wynyatt Street, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London, England


Andrew Gray Head Married Male 26 1855 Mattres Maker (Cabt Mkr) Scotland
Jesse Gray Wife Married Female 23 1858 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Andrew Jno Gray Son Single Male 4 1877 - Middlesex, England
Albert Geo Gray Son Single Male 2 1879 - Middlesex, England

Kucinta
yes that is the one thank you so so much could I be cheeky and ask you if you could please look up Jessie and Andrew death please if it is too much trouble ai understand....thank you once again x

This one?

Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
Charles Jessie Islington 1b 565
GRAY Andrew Islington 1b 565

Name: Jessia Charles
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Age: 19
Spouse: Andrew Gray
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Aug 1876
Parish: St Michael, Islington
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Charles
Spouse Father: Andrew Gray
Register Type: Parish Register

It's Jessie on the image. She is a spinster, her father John Charles is a watchman, her address seems to read Lower Cottage York Row. Husband Andrew is a porter. He is also described as a bachelor.His father, another Andrew is a painter dec (decorator?) and I can't read the groom's address other than ir's either 36 or 3b ... ....../ Witnesses are John Charles and Anne Elizabeth White.