Genealogy Chat

Once again, many thanks for all your help. My next task is to locate descendants of George.

Thank you all for you contributions. It has turned out that George was born in 1897 in Aston Birmingham He did in fact enlist in the Royal Fusiliers in 1917 & saw service on the Eastern Front for the final months of WW2. He returned to the UK, married & was the father of 5 children. Thanks to the help I have received, I am hoping to contact a great granddaughter. What is not clear at the moment, is how the diary, came to be in the possession of my friends' father as there is no clear reason for it.

George Edwin Troman born 1897, Aston Birmingham. This is the person I am researching. Thanks for the confirmation on that. Also the confirmation of his WW1 army service. I am now in the process of trying to trace his marriage & children. Thanks for the info on that. The birth registration for George is Aston district December qtr. ref 6d 374. He married Violet E Daniels in 1920 December qtr. ref. 6d 945. Thanks for the tip about a possible gt. granddaughter. I will follow that up.

May have found the current address for the 1943 child. Will send by PM.

Eldest son John A married Edith Russell 1941, you can check for children on freebmd. He was on the electoral roll until 2008 Birmingham.

I am most grateful for all the information on this thread. I am now concentrating on the descendants of George E Tromans 1897. He has been identified as the owner of the diary. Don

Donald WHICH ties in with what you know? the one born 1897 or one you think was born 1881?

if it IS the one born 1897 then as said children to that marriage can be found on freebmd.org.uk . If you want help tracing them forward please confirm that you think this is the right person.

The information you posted, ties in with what i already know. We are now concentrating on locating Georges descendants to pass on the details of his WW1 diary. Many thanks. Don

If we're going to run with the 1897 George Edgar...

Possibly his son born 1921

Mr John Alfred Tromans
England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2013
Mr John Alfred Tromans
Gender: Male
Age: 86
Birth Date: 1922
Death Date: 31 May 2008
Residence Place at Death: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Postal Code District: B19

He married Edith Russelll and had at least one identifiable daughter in 1943. There are others if they 'moved about a bit'.
He is shown on the ER in BIrmingham with his wife.

Edith died in 2006
EDITH
Last name TROMANS
Gender Female
Birth day 11
Birth month 5
Birth year 1920
Death quarter 2
Death year 2006
District BIRMINGHAM
District number 0611M
Register number M16B
Entry number 264
Date of registration mm/yy 06/06
County Warwickshire

I’m having problems with this

George Edgar Tromans
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Regimental Number: GS/133315
Previous Units: 46. R. Fus. Pte. GS/133315

George Edgar Tromans
Year: 1918 & 1919
Ward or Division/Constituency: Aston
Street address: 11 Wainwright st
Residence Place: Birmingham
46585 Pte 16 T.W Bn Worcs

Why doesn’t the service number match? I’ve gone back to both medal card images for George E(dgar) Tromans – neither mention other than the Royal Fusliers.

Births for possible children to Tromans/Daniels can be seen on freebmd.org.uk

assuming this is the right George?

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) VIOLET EMILY
Last name TROMAN
Gender Female
Birth day 27
Birth month 6
Birth year 1900
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1981
District BIRMINGHAM
County Warwickshire
Volume 32
Page 0185
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

George Edgar Tromans
Year: 1927
Ward or Division/Constituency: Yardley
Street address: 41 FARMER ROAD
Residence Place: Birmingham

Matches the 1939 register, but I have my doubts if its the correct man

Violet Emily with him from 1930

Marriages Dec 1920 (>99%)

Daniels Violet E Tromans Aston 6d 945
Tromans George E Daniels Aston 6d 945

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Tromans Household (2 People)
41 Farmer Road,Bham , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

George E Tromans 08 Nov 1897 Centre Grinder
Violet E Tromans 27 Jun 1900 Unpaid Domestic Duties

Bear with me

Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
George Edgar Tromans
Year: 1918 & 1919
Ward or Division/Constituency: Aston
Street address: 11 Wainwright st
Residence Place: Birmingham

46585 Pte 16 T.W Bn Worcs

All the names on the same page appear to be Servicemen giving their service no and and regiment/vessel
The trouble is that it doesn’t match with the one Donald quotes.

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) GEORGE EDGAR
Last name TROMANS
Gender Male
Birth day 8
Birth month 11
Birth year 1897
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1977
District BIRMINGHAM
County Warwickshire
Volume 32
Page 0206
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

That's it +++DetEcTive+++ ( so frustrating only been able to see 'bits' lol I prefer Ancestry to FMP searches I must say).

Ancestry has a lot of records for a George Edgat Tromans born 1898, again I can't see it and not finding the transcription on FMP :-|

Oh here it is

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Wainwright St Aston Manor, Aston Manor, Warwickshire, England


George Henry Tromans Head Married Male Bricklayer 52 1859 Stafford Rowley Regis Transcription
Elizabeth Tromans Wife Married Female - 51 1860 Warwick Bromford
Albert Tromans Son Single Male General Labourer 21 1890 Warwick Saltley
John Tromans Son Single Male Metal Roller 20 1891 Warwick Saltley
Gertrude Tromans Daughter Single Female Press Worker 16 1895 Warwick Saltley
Georfe Edgar Tromans Son - Male School 13 1898 Warwick Saltley <<<<<<<<
Alfred Tromans Son - Male School 10 1901 Warwick Saltley
William Henry Tromans Son - Male - 8 1903 Warwick Saltley

Not spotting it at the moment - Rose, what can you 'see'?

ADDED - Got it

George Edgar Tromans
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Regimental Number: GS/133315
Previous Units: 46. R. Fus. Pte. GS/133315