Genealogy Chat

Good evening, thank you Detective, the information provided via the link. It's so helpful.

Kind regards

Kathryn

This is a useful link to work out the areas covered by a particular registration district
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/district-list.html#

Maidstone has its own reg district. On the census where he says he was born in Rochester & which you have confidence in, you'll see that the Registration district is quoted - Medway.

Oops, I'm trying to run before I can walk. I need to find out when they were married first. Wally I am.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Good evening all, thank you for all you inputs. Sarah Packham was the wife of John Wheeler Bryant, John James' father and William G P Bryant and the other siblings. After John W died she married George Packman, it didn't last long as George went on to marry a Sarah Scoggings. How they used to live in those days!!!

I think I will send for the certificate of the marriage of William and Eliza as that should obviously give his father's name and then we'll know if we're on the right track. Am not 100% sure about the 1911 Census although the wife is Elizabeth but it states that William was born in 1865 and in Maidstone. A good find though Mel. In the 1871 Census the Rodney's are nothing to do with Sarah and the boys although the boys are obviously of the Bryant family and Sarah is not now with George Packman. Confusing isn't ? George Bryant who is listed in the 1871 Census is the son of William G P Bryant's sister Sophia Bryant who sadly died of in 1871 from disease of the heart accelerated by the want of the necessaries of life as it was stated in the South East Gazette on 4 April 1871.

If you can all bear with me whilst I obtain that marriage certificate and once received I will add to this thread. If I order it tonight it probably won't arrive until early next week.

I am so appreciative of everyone's help and the time spent on my quest and am not for one minute doubting the 1911 Census but obviously the birth date is out and this chap was born in Maidstone albeit I don't know the geography of Kent so that might come under Rochester.

Kind regards

Kathryn

1911??????????

Name: William Bryant
Age in 1911: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Maidstone, Kent
Civil Parish: Maidstone
Search Photos: Search for 'Maidstone' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 14 Boxley Road, Maidstone
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Wood sawyer
Registration district: Maidstone
Registration District Number: 51
Sub-registration district: Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 4140
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bryant 46
Elizabeth Bryant 45
Hilda Bryant 17
Ada Bryant 9
Ivy Bryant 7
Edith Bryant 6

Morning all. Thank you so much for your messages and information. Am just off to work so will digest all when I return home this evening. Didn't want you all thinking that I'm not answering/reading the replies.

Have a great day.

Kind regards

Kathryn

In case you don't have this, his baptism

Place Rochester
Church name St Margaret of Antioch
Register type PR
Register entry number 874
Baptism date 02 Jul 1854
Person forename William George Pritchard
Person sex M
Person abode Five Bell Lane, St. Margaret's
Father forename John Wheeler
Father surname BRYANT
Father occupation Bricklayer
Mother forename Sarah

http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/new which means the image will be on
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/

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1891 Census

Name: William Bryant
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Bryant
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Frindsbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip of James
Town: Upnor
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Strood
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Piece: 653
Folio: 26
Page Number: 22

William Bryant 36 Cement Labourer
Eliza Bryant 26 b.ca 1865, Sittingbourne, Kent

Address:- Hannell's Row

The image on the 1881 clearly says William is married, BUT Emily is Unmarried

William Bryant 27 Married
Emily E. Wood 25 Lodger, Unmarried, Charwoman

well, this is definitely him in 1861

1861 Census

Name: William Geo Bryant
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: 1855
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah Bryant
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochester
Civil Parish: Rochester St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 477
Folio: 70
Page Number: 1

Sarah Bryant 47 b.ca 1814, Sittingbourne, Kent, Wife, Laundress
Sophia Bryant 18 Servant
Harritto Bryant 14 Servant
James John Bryant 12
William Geo Bryant 6

Name: Sarah Bryant
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Hoo
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 637
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Allen
Sarah Bryant<<<<<<<<<??????????
George Packman<<<<<<<<???????
Patience Susan Piper

Kathryn has sent me a pm asking about another member of the same fammily and I told her to keep it on this thread. This is what she sent me.

Hi Mel, not sure if I should start a new thread but one of my GG, James John Bryant's siblings was born William George Pritchard Bryant. I have him in my tree on Ancestry. Am stumped with him. He was born in 1854 in Rochester, Kent, have found him, well at least I think it's him in 1861, 1871 and 1881 Censuses. Nothing beyond and no death. Have tried constantly to search him and you'd think with a name like that he'd be easy to find. As above, am not sure that is him in well particularly in the 1881 Census. Are you able to help at all please? If you think I should start a new thread then please let me know although if I'm not losing my marbles I may well have, in the past, posted a thread on this. My heads all over the place at the moment.

Kind regards

Kathryn

She works during the day so will look in tomorrow evening.

I have looked for a marriage for him without any luck and think I may have found him on the census but not sure. On one census he seems to have a wife called Eliza then on another Annie?? Seems to have had a son John born 1890 but as Kathryn says he is very elusive. I only think it could be him with a father called John so his son is John??????

1871

ame: William Bryant
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Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Rochester
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Address Five Bells Lane.<<<<<<<
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 904
Folio: 30
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Rodney 66
Mary Rodney 58
Mary Rodney 22
Mary E Rodney 13
Charles Rawlinson 2
Sarah Packman 53
William Bryant 17
George Bryant 7

This one above is strange. The family from Sarah Packman, William and grandson George are on the next page to the Rodney's so I am wondering if they are nothing to do with them really. AND did Sarah remarry.


1881

Name: William Bryant
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Chatham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 1 James Court
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Medway
Sub registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 894
Folio: 21
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bryant 27Married
Emily E. Wood 25 Lodger charwoman

There were 7 of us (5 kids and parents) in a two up, two down. I slept in a double bed with my two sisters, my parents had the biggest room with the baby in a cot next to them and my brother slept in what I can only call a curtained off alcove in parent's room. Not much privacy. This was in the early to mid 1950's. We moved in 1957 to a three bedroom house and with my eldest sister having married the year before the extra space was a godsend.

Kath. x

OMG, that's going some. I have heard that way back children in a great number used to sleep top to toe in a bed. Don't we just have it so easy now, well most of us? What a lovely name Fairy Row, is it sill in existence?

Regards

Kathryn

5 in a tiny house is'nt many. My gt gran had 14 children and they lived in a 2 up and 2 down house in Woodford Green. Mum said she can remember the children sleeping top to tail in a double bed. one of the youngest, my great aunt Doll, mums aunt was only a few years older than mum. Obviously some of them had moved out by this time and some had died. It was a little row of cottages and some of her children when married lived in others in Fairy Row.

Hiya, have just checked that out. Brilliant, one of my other Pankhurst Ancestors lived at 69 Ordnance Street, which is still there too and I've just viewed it. The wonders of modern technology. Yes, I know what you mean about starting out on the house ladder. We did the same some 19 years ago having always preciously rented. The one we bought needed renovation but luckily my partner is a self employed carpenter/builder so that saved some money although it took him some five years to renovate, obviously having to work at the same time. My father was born in Ireland and I have photos of the house he was born in which are smaller than these ones in Ordnance Street, at one time there was five of them living in a tiny tiny house.

Kind regards

Kathryn

49 Ordnance St Chatham still exists - assuming the numbering hasn't changed, you can pin-point it on Google Street Maps and 'take a walk'. From the looks it, it could be either of 2 designs

2 up, 2 down with a kitchen and bathroom off the back.
3 up with the 3rd bedroom accessed off the main. Many of those have converted the 3rd bedroom into a bathroom. Originals would still have 2 downstairs rooms with a small kitchen.

The stairs would originally have divided the 2 downstairs rooms. Some have been converted so that the stairs run along the flank wall.

Back in the day, we looked at a number of that style in the Medway area when we were looking for our first home. Last year our daughter did the same. The ones she could afford needed renovation...which put them out of her budget if that makes sense?

Morning Andysmum, thank you once again for your support and time spent on my query. Everyone has been such a great help and it's great to have an insight into how people lived way back.

Kind regards


Kathryn

Just glad to be able to help.

I had already looked at that link for tugs called Iceland/Ireland, but without success. If you have any connection at all with the Royal Navy it is a very useful site and worth bookmarking. It lists, I think, every ship that has ever been in, or attached to, the RN.

If the tug was flying the blue ensign it was a naval auxiliary and the crew would have been Royal Naval Reservists or Pensioners.

Stoker is a naval term for an engineer, so either "stoker" or "naval stoker" is correct. (Literally someone who stoked the engines, in the days of steam.)

Morning Kathleen, thank you for your continued help and support. It's so interesting to find out about life back in those days. I'm in touch with a lady in an organisation in Kent and she has kindly offered to look up burials for me in the Chatham area albeit it may well be GG wasn't buried in the Chatham area. A lot of my Pankhurst ancestors were so she has asked that I list them and their dates of death and she's said that she will look into it for me as I would love to visit the Ancestors graves. I don't live local in Kent so it would be great to find out which Cemetery their buried in so that I know exactly where I have to go. It may well be she can locate GG for me, if not in the Chatham area she may well be able to put onto another organisation in the appropriate area to find out. I just feel the need to visit.

Kind regards

Kathryn