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Have inboxed u hun. I am really greatfull for yr help....





Her middle name begins with a t????
Could the f be a mistake?

Cant bwlieve the kind help im reciving xxxx :-)

Your father is possibly listed on the 1962/ 1963 electoral register living with his first wife (although her middle initial is T and not F as on the marriage index).

Serena, I just took the DNA question to a forum about that and received an answer from one of the most knowledgeable people in the field

I asked about a test of what is called 'autosomal DNA', the DNA that a person gets from both parents.

he says the results would be straighforward and definitive

this is how it works

this test would show whether you and your sister are half sisters or full sisters, by showing whether you share enough DNA that you share the same parents.

full sisters would have, very roughly, about 50% the same; half sisters would have, again very roughly, about 25% the same ... so it would be immediately apparent which you and your sister are

this would not tell you anything about who her father is, if it turned out you were half sisters

but it is always possible (if not highly likely) that a match for her DNA (that did not match you) might turn up in the database where you tested, whether now or at some later date ... if she matched but you didn't, then the match would seem to be on her father's side

I use and recommend Family Tree DNA, and in fact I have just ordered an autosomal test for myself to pursue some genealogical questions I hope DNA will help solve (as it already has, although it has raised more questions)

this is the link for ordering that test if you and your sister want to consider it (remember that not everyone wants the answer to these questions)

https://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx

that doesn't give a lot of info but it works basically as I described

the cost is 99 USD per test and you would each test

it involves ordering a kit and taking a scraping from the inside of your cheek that you return to the lab

the company then notifies you of matches, but you also get raw data that you can have someone help interpret for you

I can try to explain anything else about it that isn't clear

about your dad's first wife

I too don't find her marrying or dying under either her birth surname or your dad's surname

and I don't see any children born with those two surnames

do you know for sure that the name she married under was her birth surname? could she have been married before? in that case, any children's births would show her own birth surname, not her first married surname

might she have gone back to Ireland?

another possibility is that she partnered with someone else after separating from your dad but did not marry, and uses her partner's surname (and possibly her death, if she has died, was under that surname)

it might be a good idea to get your dad's first marriage certificate to see what it tells you about her (her age, her marital status ...)

don't be paying for 192.com when you can use
http://www.freeelectoralroll.co.uk
free of charge

when you find a listing there, you can double-check it at 192.com on a free search to see whether it is for a current year, and check who else is in the household

(if you use up your free searches in a 24-hour period at 192.com, just go to the cookies in your browser and delete the 192.com cookies, and start over!)


also just a note, do stick to this thread for questions about your family or you will have too many people answering the same questions :-)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1357044

Serena just backtracking, in case you want to make sure you exist :-)

you can do a free search at Ancestry that will show you results, just not details

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8782

put your name there with your mum's birth surname and you'll find yourself

you just haven't been transcribed by the volunteers at freebmd yet


to get a birth, marriage or death certificate, you order it here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

using the info from the record at freebmd (the 'GRO reference' info)

name (of one spouse)
year of marriage
quarter of marriage (jan-mar, apr-jun, jul-sep, or oct-dec)
registration district
volume number
page number

the certificate will tell you the actual details like the exact date, the place, the spouses' ages, their fathers' names and occupations (if they gave that info), and the witnesses' names


Serena, don't go paying money for things willy-nilly

many things are availble free of charge (like at freebmd or at familysearch.org)

and for other things, people here who pay for subscriptions will help if we can (by sending you private messages if it is too personal to put on line here)

for instance, I'll send you your birth registration info from Ancestry just to illustrate :-)

hello, my dad was indian born in india, came here in 1956 and stayed
, his 1st wife was irish born in ireland.
they married in london.
the witness on the certificate? where do i find that. ?
yes my aunt i have contact with but will not know, or if he does would not say.
my cousins r the same age as me so no good.
ive been on the net all night, paying out for different things just to come up with the same thing. she is prob the onle one who can help me.my sister said today that she will phone dwp.
but doubt they will tell her anything.
xxxxx

As your paternal side of the family & his first wife were of Indian origin, might they have moved back to the ancestral country? That could be why there are no records.

Was your Dad's first marriage in the UK? If so, the witnesses on the certificate might give you leads to follow up. Additional information might be found on the historical Electoral Roll for his declared address.
Although your aunts and uncles, if any can be found, may not wish to discuss what happened, their children (your cousins) might be more forthcoming.

yes ive looked at all possible names..
the search continues. xxxx

If they divorced, your dad's first wife might have married again, or she might have reverted to her maiden name ...... lots of divorced women did that.

Hi. Im not sure if they had kids. It dont show they did but then im not there either.
I can check usuing her name again.
Its not my uncle. Its my dad....
Trying to see if my dad is her real dad and not this
Other man who we have been told about
As he is nowhere
Nowhere at all.
Will keep searching but find myself coming to a blank wall each time....
Have a lovely new years eve night tonight
Xxxxc :-)

Not sure were you can go with this – did your father have children with his first wife? Would it be possible to find them? It’s likely they’d know about you, if not your sister.
Use your father's surname and his first wife's maiden name to look for births on Freebmd.

If your paternal ‘uncle’ did father your sister, then comparison sibling DNA testing is going to be slewed. You might have to get a half-sibling from his first marriage to provide a sample. Awkward!

Try looking for family names on http://www.192.com/?gkw=192+com
if you get a 'hit', you could look them up on the free ER site
https://www.freeelectoralroll.co.uk/Electoral_Roll_Search.asp

Hi. She does only have my mums name on her bc.
She also has all her adoption papers too.
Mum has said there was another man involved who she claims was my sisters dad....no evidance to this jyst a full name. But name is nowhere on the internet.
Dont really want to get mum involved because she is elderly now. Have asked few questions recently but they r the same answers. Nothing new.
Everything points to her and my dad being together at the time but dad married someone in 1959. Maybe it was an affair.

Yes the dna testing might not be acarate.
Have tried looking for his first wife and shes not on death register but she would be bout 80 now and might be in a home.


Thank u xxxx :-)

Right - so as your mum had never been married at the time your half-sister was born, she would likely have been registered under your mother's surname.

Assuming your half-sister has accessed her adoption file, she probably has a copy of her BC. If not, she can order a copy from the GRO on the link provided earlier. From what you've already said, you've already found the details needed.

It possible that her adoption file names her father even if he isn't named on the certificate. Could she go back to Social Services and check?

Would it be right to say that you don't wish to ask your mum if you share the same father? If you both wanted to discover if you are full siblings, without involving her, you may have to consider DNA testing. It's not cheap. A quick search on-line indicates something in the region of £200-£250 although there are cheaper companies

One sites does state
"Sibling analysis is not as conclusive as paternity testing. The results will provide a statistical likelihood of whether two individuals are true biological relatives, but sibling analysis cannot provide a conclusive result."
http://www.cellmark.co.uk/dna_testing/sibling_dna_testing.php
Another site has a fuller explanation
http://www.genetrack.co.uk/tests/dna-sibling-test

ahhh ok. 1st me and my half sister r really close, im not doing anything she dont know about. xxx
we wasnt raised together no,
my sister (half) was born in 1960 my dad was married to someone else but had also known my mum.
my sister was sadly adopted out as it was out of wedlock and because her dad was indian, same as my dad (hmmm)
and my mum is full english and in that era it was unexceptable...
then my mum and dad married my mum in 1975, they had 1 child in 1972 then me in 1976. but everything my mum has told each of us dont add up at all...
and an old friend of mums who used to work with her in 1957 has just found her. i spoke to her on the phone and was told my mum knew my dad in 1958 and were together. very confusing....my mum will be left out of all this but my sister does know....im helping her.....im also wanting to find my dads 1st wife to shed some light xxxx

You mean like
Smith, Jane, mothers maiden name Smith?
There should be 2 sets of numbers after the name eg 4b 170
If you were to cllick on the 170, it will display all other names listed on the same page and volume.
There might be another entry eg as
Brown, Jane mmn Smith

His surname will only appear if its listed on the BC. If they weren't married, then he would have been expected to attend the registration.

If you know your half-sisters date of birth, you could order a copy to check the info. Only birth certificates for someone born more than 50 years will be issued without additional information
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Were you raised as full siblings? Do you really want to rock-the-boat if you can't prove you share the same father? Please exercise caution

my dad is deseesed but it just shows the mums name all the time.
i need to see if he fathered my sursopedly half sister xxxx

Try looking at the un-indexed images on Freebmd. You'll have to complete the drop down box at the bottom on the page
http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose.pl

looking now xxx

Are we talking about Freebmd? It will be on an image, but not transcribed. Therefore the search on the data base won't pick it up.

Try
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2285338
They might have transcribed the entry so that the names are in a searchable data base.

but i put the dates between 1960 to 1984....
i should have been there shouldnt i? xxxx :-(