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When Bridget was born, Margaret put address as nursery street but that was in Feb 1900 so they had obviously moved by the 1901 census.
Looks like everyone is stumped like me as to finding Bridget and Margaret in 1901 census.

West Derby A/M/J 1916 8b 828 James Carney married Margaret Alice Larson.
Margaret Alice Russell 1883 married 1904 Edward Benedict Larson 1862-1912

Margaret Alice Carney 1883-1961.

Maryb

here's 52 nursery st and they are not there


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
52, Nursery Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Murray Head Married Male 39 1862 Labourer In Mill Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Martha A Murray Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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William J Murray Son Single Male 19 1882 General Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Robert Murray Son Single Male 17 1884 General Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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James Murray Son Single Male 15 1886 General Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Edward Murray Son Single Male 13 1888 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Ann Murray Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Elizabeth Murray Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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George Murray Son Single Male 8 1893 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Henry Murray Son Single Male 3 1898 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Martha Murray Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Hello everyone, can I say how overwhelmed I am by all your help.
I have details from Bridget's birth certificate as follows... born 1st January 1900 at 52 Nursery Street, name Bridget Ann, father James Carney, mother Margaret Carney formerly Driscoll, he was a marine fireman, informant Margaret Driscoll of 52 Nursery St, registered 15 Feb 1900.
Margaret and James marriage certificate as follows....29 August 1895, James Carney and Margaret Driscoll, both 22yrs, batchelor and spinster, looks like his profession is boiler sealer, his address 28 Bostock St Liverpool, her address 5a Blenheim St Liverpool, his father James Carney bootsmaker deceased, her father Thomas Driscoll Mariner. at St Sylvester's church. James married again later on, don't know when and she was a widow with children and I think her surname was Larsen.

"St Joseph House & Home For Aged Poor" was literally that, a home for the elderly run by the Little Sisters of the Poor...
4 Belmont Grove
Walton on the Hill

1891 ?

Name: Margt Driscoll
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Driscoll, Seaman born Ireland Widower
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2905
Folio: 58
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Driscoll 68
Margt Driscoll 15

Poss this Thomas in 1901 so not helpful

Name: Thomas Carney (widower)
Age: 80
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Walton on the Hill

Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: St Josephs Home
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3457
Folio: 135
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 1

Margaret Driscoll born Liverpool 4/12/1873 baptised 14/12/1873 by Thomas Driscoll and Elizabetha Murray.

Maryb.

This might be useful if only for the witnesses

Marriage: 21 Apr 1924 St Peter & St Paul Roman Catholic Church, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Thomam Carney -
Annam Mercer -
Groom's Parents: Jacobi Carney & Margaritae
Bride's Parents: Augustini Mercer & Liliae
Witness: Gulielmo Carney; Margarita Mercer
Married by: Gulielmus Leighton
Source: Original register at LRO

Donna mentioned Margaret's death as being abt 1907.
There are these two for an idea of birth date?

Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
CARNEY Margaret 33 W. Derby 8b 414

Deaths Dec 1909 (>99%)
CARNEY Margaret 38 W. Derby 8b 397

that could be ...................


but I don't think that John Edward and his mother Margaret had any connection with Bridget Mary and her mother Margaret


there are too many discrepancies ............... age, marital status and occupation as a charwoman


as the wife of a sailor, Margaret nee Driscoll would have had no reason to lie about such facts.

could this possibly be John Edward from the 1901 census?

the census was taken on the night of 31 March

I believe workhouse officials registered births in workhouses so possibly he could have been registered in the first quarter even if born at the very end of it

Births Mar 1901
CARNEY Edward Liverpool 8b 105

... because there just is no John Edward birth registered

It was the Liverpool Workhouse in Mount Pleasant ...............


1901 Census

Name: John Edward Carney
Age: 2 Days
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
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Ecclesiastical parish: Liverpool St Columba
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant <<<<<<<<<<<<
ED, institution, or vessel: Liverpool Workhouse <<<<<<<<<<

Piece: 3420
Folio: 76
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 1
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Margaret Carney 21 b.ca 1880, Liverpool, Single, Charwoman
John Edward Carney 2 Days
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The actual address can be seen by going to page 1 ................

Liverpool Workhouse
Workhouse Hospital and Infirmary
Brownlow Hill, Liverpool


by googling ...........

this was the description in ca 1850 .............

BROWNLOW HILL WORKHOUSE

The workhouse in the parish of Liverpool is contained in an extensive clump of buildings, ranging in the wall, which extends from Mount Pleasant to Brownlow Hill. These erections, with additions have grown with the growth of Liverpool, but being still inadequate a great portion are to be knocked down and more commodities and, “classified” premises are to be built
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Workhouses all over the UK had the only hospitals and infirmaries that were commonly available to poor people right through into the 20th century.



As a sideline .......

...... one building of that workhouse was still standing on Brownlow Hill in the 1960s, next to the new RC Cathedral, and I had laboratory lessons in it between 1959 and 1963 :-)

that's an error then because Margaret should be the daughter of a Driscoll?

that kind of error in either the original or the transcription isn't at all uncommon

in case it helps, this looks like the marriage for James and Margaret ........


Liverpool, England, Catholic Marriages, 1754-1921

Name: Jacobum Carney
Marriage Date: 29 Aug 1895
Parish: St Sylvester (Sylvestri), Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name: Margaritam Driscoll
Father's name: Jacobi Carney
Spouse Father's Name: Thomae Carney

from image ............

Jacobum, son of Jacob Carney, of 27 Bostock Street, Bootle

Margaret, daughter of Thomas Carney, of 5C 7H Blenheim Street (???address)

Witnesses .......
Jacobo Collins, of 8C 4H Hopewood Street
Catharina Walsh, of 5C 3H Blenheim Street



Unfortunately, it doesn't give their ages

http://www.merseysiderollofhonour.co.uk/get2.php?cwgc=3045276

(quite a bit on Edward John above, has below)


1911 Census - 32 Chaucer Street, Bootle - Edward and Mary O'Malley, also Edward's niece Ellen Mason (aged 20) and Mary's nephew, John Monks (aged 8) the son of her sister Honora Monk (nee Carney). Two other children, Bridget Ann Carney (12) and Thomas Carney (5) were also boarding with the family.


EDWARD JOHN O'MALLEY
KILLED IN ACTION 22ND SEP. 1914,
AGED 38 YEARS.


ALSO JOHN EDWARD MONKS
HIS NEPHEW
WHO DIED 22ND JULY 1937, AGED 34 YEARS.


ALSO JOHN MONK
FATHER OF THE ABOVE
WHO DIED 30TH SEP. 1947, AGED 66 YEARS.


ALSO MARY O'MALLEY,
BELOVED WIFE OF THE ABOVE EDWARD
WHO DIED 12TH MARCH 1959, AGED 80 YEARS.

(His wife never re-married and lived at 32 Chaucer Street for the rest of her life. She died on the 12th March 1959 and was buried at Ford R.C. Cemetery in the same grave (AS 2185) as the Monks family.)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Carney Norah W. Derby 8b 717
Monk John W. Derby 8b 717

I'll put this here because I don't want to forget it

Edward O'Malley on the 1911, looks like 11 years married to Mary

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)

Carney Mary W. Derby 8b 833

O'Malley Edward W. Derby 8b 833

On the 1911 Mason and Monks are down as the niece and nephew, and the 2 Carney children are down as boarders.... that seems an odd mistake to make? ( but maybe not)

Name: Mary Carney
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1878
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1899
Marriage Place: Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
Father: Thomas Carney
Spouse: Edward O'Malley
FHL Film Number: 1545941
Reference ID: p 189 cn 377

Of course Donna :-)

Rose and Joonie, can we continue this tomorrow? I will dig out the certificates that I have and get back to you. I can give you their marriage date and I also have Bridget's birth certificate. I really appreciate you trying to help
Donna

Donna, when did Margaret and James marry please

edit to answer myself,

is it this one

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)

Carney James Liverpool 8b 340 Scan available - click to view
Driscoll Margaret Liverpool 8b 340

because if it is then a little unlikely that the Margaret who was 21 in 1901 is the same woman unless there is a mistake on her age or she married very young?

Joonie John Edward Carney is with 'a' Margaret as per the 1911 , but if Margaret was 21 on that there is no matching death between 1901 and 1911 for Margaret? at least not in Liverpool

Nor can I see a death in 1918 for John Edward