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Seems there was a Doris Bradshaw on the same trip as Vernon, I just wonder if this is the Doris he married

Name: Doris Bradshaw
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 10 Jan 1921
Vessel Name: Ceramic

Name: Vernon A Bradshaw
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 10 Jan 1921
Vessel Name: Ceramic

No death found for Henrietta, now my mind is working overtime!

Julie - Perhaps an actual example will help you realize what's going on here.

Here's an image of an original 1904 official marr rego - this one's for Bolton since it's online and free:

http://tinyurl.com/pg69tg9

[One can tell it's original by the signatures.]
A copy of this page was made for the local office (Bolton RD) and another copy made for the GRO.

The GRO bound their copy into vol 8c of 1904q1 marriages - it wound up on page 403 of that volume


Here's the entries in the GRO index that point to that page:

Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Barton Emily Annie Bolton 8c 403
Blagg Francis Bolton 8c 403
Davenport Lucy Bolton 8c 403
Pilkington Edwin Bolton 8c 403

Note that, from this alone, it's not possible to say Edwin wed Emily - he could have wed Lucy or even Francis from what we can see here.


One can buy a certified copy of the marr entry (i.e., an m.cert) from either the GRO, or the local office that now holds the copies of that rego, or (if it's in their current rego) from the church where the marr took place.
Now some local offices have their own online indexes (or partial indexes) - see http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
In particular, http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BLAGG Francis DAVENPORT Lucy Bolton, All Souls Bolton 13/2/95
PILKINGTON Edwin BARTON Emily A Bolton, All Souls Bolton 13/2/96

The local ref has three elements:
1) a church code (or subdistrict code for Bs & Ds). Here the code "13" is decoded as "Bolton, All Souls" - not all local indexes tell you the decoding.
2) a register # - 2 here. This 2nd rego happened to start in Aug 1901 and end in Aug 1915.
3) an entry # or page # - usually, entry #s are used for marrs, so one knows who wed whom.
Even when page #s are used for marrs, occasionally the GRO pages and local pages are not aligned, and one can still say who wed whom.

The local B & D regos have 500 entries and 100 pages.
Church regos (and their local copies) have 500 entries & 250 pages.
The registrar's own marr regos (used for rego office marrs, and for non-conformist marrs held in registered buildings (churches) where there was no authorized person holding an official marr rego - so a registrar would need to attend with his/her official rego) had 200 entries and 100 pages.
The copies made for the GRO initially had twice as many entries per page as the local regos, but they were reduced to the same for marrs in 1852q1, and Bs & Ds in 1911q3.
Each new church or subdistrict begins on a new page and continues until the quarter is used up - so the last page for that church or subdistrict is often a partial page, or even a blank page if the quarter ends on the first side of the page (so GRO blank pages have even #s).

Thankyou for the link Julie, having seen the comments on Vernon's medal card on Ancestry I was a bit intrigued!

Thank you so much to Shirley, Kathleen, Rambling Rose and GlitterBaby. I am overwhelmed by the response to my question and all your replies have been so helpful! I am not even related to the Bradshaws, but I became obsessed with researching the family years ago when I came into possession of an old Bible listing the names of Job and Mary Bradshaw and their 13 children (of whom 4 died in infancy). This left 8 brothers and only one sister, who was the youngest. The Bible lists their dates of birth and deaths. I wanted to trace a living descendant so that I could pass the Bible on to them. I thought it would be easy because in Queen Victoria's time huge families were the norm. However, my research revealed that amazingly only one of the brothers married and had a child, and that child was Vernon Albert Mills Bradshaw. However, I was unable to find any evidence that Vernon had any children and the trail went cold. However, I have just been contacted by a lady in Australia who says one of her relatives married Vernon in Australia in 1921. (This would have been his second marriage, so not sure what happened to his first wife Henrietta Annie Bradshaw, nee Foot?) It seems they had a son and there may also be a grandson who was born in England but later returned to Australia in the 60s/70s. So I may be able to pass the Bible on to a direct descendant after all! If any of you would like to read an account of my research into the Bradshaw family so far, you can do so by going to www.authorsden.com and searching under Julie Leek. The article is entitled Back to the Bradshaws. Thank you so much for your help. :-)

Looking at births after 1911 then Goddard married Dopson

"Edwin" George Goddard has a wife called Ethel Harriet on 1911 in Enfield - married 7 years


1911
Edwin George Goddard Head Married Male 32 1879 Clapton North London Machinest Small Arms Barrel Making
Ethel Harriett Goddard Wife Married Female 30 1881 Malden Essex
Henry George Goddard Son - Male 6 1905 Enfield Lock Middlesex
Edwin Clarence Goddard Son - Male 4 1907 Enfield Lock Middlesex
Ivy Ethel Goddard Daughter - Female 2 1909 Enfield Lock Middlesex
Thomas David Boarder Single Male 32 1879 Llanllawddog Carmarthen Wales Wireman G P O

Possible. Typical she is listed as Mrs Bradshaw. Will not be one 1911 census if correct person

First name(s) V A
Last name BRADSHAW
Gender Male
Marital status M
Departure year 1911
Departure day 22
Departure month 3
Departure port FISHGUARD
Destination port MELBOURNE
Destination MELBOURNE
State Victoria
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name ANCHISES
Ship official number 131320
Ship master's first name E
Ship master's last name WARRACE
Shipping line BLUE FUNNEL
City GLASGOW
Ship destination port BRISBANE
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship registered tonnage 6380
Number of passengers 4
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960

You probably have it but just in case

Name: Vernon Albert Mills Bradshaw
Military Year: 1914
Rank: Vol Driver
Medal Awarded: 1914 Star
Regiment or Corps: British Red Cross Society & Order of St John
Sub Unit: Motor Ambulance Unit No.3

As Shirley says...if you have the certificate then he married the person showing on there.

There were obviously two marriages per page at that time (sometimes you get four marriages per page or even more).

Kath. x

No it means that at that a time there were two marriages to the one GRO page so the bridal couples weren't matched up

After 1911 you get the cross ref to the surnames so you can see which couple married

The one you have you can only determine the spouse by buying the actual cert which you have done


Quite often by looking at the next census after a marriage you can then see which couple married by the wife's name
Doesn't help though if both brides had the same Christian name ,then you would need the cert

Some years ago, I ordered a marriage certificate for Vernon Albert Mills Bradshaw, who according to the certificate married Henrietta Annie Foot on 27 January 1904 in Edmonton, Middlesex.

However, I have recently seen on the record transcription a note which says Vernon Albert Mills Bradshaw married either Henrietta Annie Foot or Ethel Harriett Dopson on 27 January 1904. Apparently, Henrietta Annie Foot married either Vernon Albert Mills Bradshaw or Edward George Goddard on that day.

There was evidently some sort of clerical error made at the registry office. However, my concern is whether I can somehow ascertain for certain which woman Vernon did marry on that day? Can anyone give me any suggestions in this regard?

Julie