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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
London Place, East, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
James Lewis Male 40 1801 Middlesex, England
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Mary Smith Female 22 1819 Middlesex, England

james is a mathmatical instrument maker

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Francis Court, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Lewis Head Married Male 53 1798 Mathematical Instrument St Andrews, Fife, Scotland
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Barbara Lewis Wife - Female 32 1819 Maker Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
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William J Lewis Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar -
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Elizabeth Lewis Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar -
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Barbara Lewis Daughter - Female 2 1849 - -

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Saddlers Place, All Hallows on the Wall, London City, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Lewis Head Married Male 62 1799 ...Maker St Andrews, London, England
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Barbary Lewis Wife Married Female 40 1821 Wife Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
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William Lewis Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Cort Wainer Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Mary Ann Lewis Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Domestic Servant Hackney, Middlesex, England
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Barbary Lewis Daughter - Female 13 1848 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
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James Lewis Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
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John Lewis Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar St Luke's, Middlesex, England
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Ann Lewis Daughter - Female 3 1858 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England


james is a mathmatical instrument maker

Going back to the Thos Riley in 1841, he is a waterman , when his daughter Jane marries, one of the witnesses is a William...I think it 'might' be a badly written 'Riley' , perhaps someone else would take a look at see what they think?

Name: Jane Riley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 23
Spouse: Robert Hackett
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Oct 1860
Parish: St James, Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Thomas Riley <<<<waterman and lighterman
Spouse Father: John Hackett
Register Type: Parish Register

Just a possible, brother George listed on the 1871 census as also born Bishopsgate?

Name: George Riley
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Botolph Without Bishopsgate
Hundred: London Without the Walls
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: St Botolph
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 725
Book: 14
Folio: 8
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Riley 40
John Riley 17
Louisa Riley 14
Jane Riley 5
Charles Riley 8
George Riley 6

son same place of baptism as daughter Elizabeth


Name: William Riley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Dec 1861
Father's name: William Riley <<<<< slipper maker
Mother's name: Elizabeth Riley
Parish or Poor Law Union: All Hallows London Wall
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

There is this one which matches POB of Bishopsgate as later censuses


Name: William Riley
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Prisoner (Institutional)
Gender: Male
Where born: Bishopgate, London, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration district: Amwell
ED, institution, or vessel: House of Correction Cold Bath Fields
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1517
Folio: 484
Page Number: 5

I am wondering about this baptism, William Riley is a shoemaker as on the census, might give a clue as to maiden name of wife, middle name Lewis?

Name: Elizabeth Riley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Nov 1859
Father's name: William Riley
Mother's name: Elizabeth Lewis Riley
Parish or Poor Law Union: All Hallows London Wall
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

1871

Name: William Riley
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Riley
Gender: Male
Where born: Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Finsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 54
Piece: 410
Folio: 28
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Riley 39
Elizabeth Riley 27
William Riley 10
James Riley 7
Elizabeth Riley 5
Barbara A Riley 3
George Riley 36


1861

Name: William Riley
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Riley
Gender: Male
Where born: Bishopsgate, London, England
Civil Parish: All Hallows London Wall
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: London City North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Piece: 228
Folio: 25
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Riley 30
Elizabeth Riley 18
Elizabeth Riley 1

There are no records of travel between Ireland and the UK mainland

That's great, thanks a lot for your help. William C is my direct line. His wife Barbara's father, William Riley is, from what I have found so far, from Ireland. He says he was born in Middlesex in the 1871 census yet when I found him (and I'm pretty sure it is him) in the 1851 census it says he was born in Ireland. Are there any ways of tracking when he migrated to the UK and where abouts in Ireland he came from?

Just to round it up a bit, the 1891 with younger children,

Robert Lincoln
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Lincoln
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 20b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 261
Folio: 84
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Lincoln 46 <<<<< warehouseman
Mary Lincoln 44
William Lincoln 20
Eleanor Lincoln 14
John Lincoln 12
Emily Lincoln 9


marriage for Emily also on Ancestry.

and the son William C born 1871

Name: William Charles Lincoln
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Age: 21
Spouse: Barbara Ann Riley
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Oct 1892
Parish: St Bartholomew, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Robert Lincoln <<<<< warehouseman
Spouse Father: William Riley
Register Type: Parish Register

This is the marriage of the daughter Mary A M Lincoln showing on the 1871 census that SAFC posted above,

Name: Mary Ann Matilda Lincoln
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Age: 22
Spouse: Amos John Hatch
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Oct 1888
Parish: St James, Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Robert Lincoln >>>.warehouseman
Spouse Father: Charles Hatch
Register Type: Parish Register

I think you are pretty safe with that, but if you want to be 100 percent certain,
if you have worked back from one of their children, getting the child's birth cert will confirm mother's maiden name.

Right, I see. So, as I know from a later census that Robert is with a Mary, and in a 1911 census they claimed to have been married 45 years, and that they lived in the East End area, I can presume that he married Mary Lewis, in Shoreditch, in 1866.

You will find that a lot. looking for eg on freebmd.org.uk you can see two couples with the same page and volume number... on Ancestry the image for those couples is on the same page...so I can see who married who.

Marriages Mar 1866 (>99%)
DUCHEMIN Eliza Shoreditch 1c 224 view
Lewis Mary A Shoreditch 1c 224
LINCOLN Robert Shoreditch 1c 224
Partrick Thomas Shoreditch 1c 224

It is usually possible to work out which couple married by names in the census following, but not always, especially if the wives happen to have the same first name...that is when it is necessary to get the cert.

I see, thanks. And also why does the website list two possible women who may have been married to Robert?

Yes Ancestry have LMA records which includes "London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

This data collection contains marriage records and marriage banns dating from 1754-1921 from more than 10,000 Church of England parish registers"

so you can view the actual register images, which include the occupations, witnesses etc. very useful for anyone with London ancestors as I have, also has images for baptisms,