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i have searched ancestry trees and there are quite a few who have robert green dob 1767 death occupation carter 1854 and wife margaret mair 1772 married jan 1802 ellon aberdeenshire and all the trees have them with 2 children robert 1806 and james 1811 they both married and occupatons were in linnen clothier , and there childrens occupations flaxdresser , ropmaker , dealer and baker , this family stayed in aberdeenshire , my robert green on anns marriage was tailor so it looks sadly like the wrong family ...

with robt being a tailor would he have to have had a apprentiship , would there be record i could search on line ...im summising he was from scotland ...

No, I think Robt is just Robert.

Ann's YOB certainly stays constant on all the records

Of course, old parish records are patchy, so there may not be any relevant records to find.

i am not familliar with scotlad names and there variant but could robt be short for another instead of just robert ?

big sigh :-( i realy dont know what to do now ....
in 1851 age 30 birth 1821 scotland
1861 age 40 birth scotland
1871 age 50 birth scotland
death 1874 age 53
marriage 1845 age 26 father robt green tailor
i canot find her in any 1841 census
all ages follow on correct through census to her death .... but thank you for looking on scotlands people

Scotlands People doesn't show any births for an Ann Green or Greener or Myers (or variant spellings) , with father Robert, anywhere in Scotland 1818-25
There are a few (below) with fathers with other names.

01/10/1820 GREEN ANN
ALEXR. GREEN/JANE ROBERTSON FR656 (FR656) F SPEYMOUTH /MORAY 143/00 0040 0007

09/02/1824 GREEN ANN
ALEXR. GREEN/MARGARET CLARK F RATHVEN /BANFF 164/00 0030 0034

15/02/1820 GREEN EMILY ANN
JOHN GREEN/JANE ROBERTSON FR5935 (FR5935) F PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0240 0015

06/05/1822 MORE ANN
ALEXR. MORE/ISABEL VALENTINE F UDNY /ABERDEEN 249/00 0020 0015

10/05/1823 MYERS ANN
ALEXANDER MYERS/ANN NEILSON FR3771 (FR3771) F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0310 0219


This is the only marriage which could conceivably be her parents, if her mother was Myers or variant - but it seems too long before her birth - of course she could have been the youngest of a large family:
Although it looks like two different couples, I think it's probably the same one, as one record will be banns, and the later one may be the actual marriage.

Please note: I'm not saying this couple are her parents! In fact, I doubt it very much.

08/01/1802 GREEN ROBERT MARGARET MAIR/ M OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN CITY CITY/ABERDEEN 168/0B 0080 0269

10/01/1802 GREEN ROBERT MARGARET MAIR/ M ELLON /ABERDEEN 192/00 0030 0197

i was the 3rd child born to my mother and the last and who ever registed me put my mother,s mothers maiden name but my other 2 sibblings who were born years befor me have correct info on theres and both my parents are no longer hear so i cant ask them .... getting back to ann myers / green / greener the only info i have on her parents are whats on her marriage cert father being robt green a tailor i cant find any more info on her parents with census just saying born scotland even though i have searched the earlyest info i have is her marriage and then in 1851/61/71 census all just saying born scotland so i dont know if her mother was a myers i have also searched for a green and myers marriage and found nothing .....stockton did say yesterday that maybe william registerd the child and missunderstood and gave his mothers maiden name but i have his parents as james and sarah sudberry so i suppose its one of those things i will not solve ...but i will get another birth certifaicate of there other child and see what that says ... and thank you all for your help

If it was Ann who registered Sarah Ann's birth - and it being her first child so not used to the process of registering - then I wonder if when she was asked what was the mother's maiden name, did she think they meant HER mother's maiden name instead of her own and that her mother's maiden name was possibly Myers.

Just another possibility to think about.

Kath. x

Baptism
County North Riding YKS
Place Thornaby on Tees
Church St Peter Ad Vincula Pr
RegisterNumber 77
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 31 May 1846
Forename Elizabeth
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname HUTCHINSON
MotherSurname
Abode Thornaby


Baptism
County North Riding YKS
Place Thornaby on Tees
Church St Peter Ad Vincula Pr
RegisterNumber 157
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 14 Nov 1847
Forename Sarah Ann
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname HUTCHINSON
MotherSurname
Abode Thornaby
FatherOccupation Potter


Baptism
County North Riding YKS
Place Thornaby on Tees
Church St Peter Ad Vincula Pr
RegisterNumber 413
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 08 Jan 1854
Forename Mary
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname HUTCHINSON
MotherSurname
Abode Thornaby
FatherOccupation Potter

(with Martha being 4th Daughter, as noted on Baptism posted, and others above, also James posted earlier 1850, wonder what Maiden Name is for them)

Chris :)

i have had word from stockton registry office after looking again at the myers/green / greener mystery and they say sarah ann,s mother is definatly ann formaly myers and johns mother is definatly ann green , and also said even though a document is hand writen they have to coppy things as they were on the acctualy document even if the spelling was incorrect ....so it still a big question mark on myers / green / greener

Unfortunately the suggestion on your thread, Gwyn, that it might have been the husband's mms which was entered by mistake, doesn't work here.

William's mother's name seems to be Procter, per a tree on Ancestry - presumably this is his parents' marriage:


James Hutchinson
mentioned in the record of James Hutchinson and Sarah Procter
Name: James Hutchinson
Spouse's Name: Sarah Procter
Event Date: 14 May 1821
Event Place: Calverley Parish, West Riding, York, England
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single

I have the same problem at the other end of the country..... Strangely also with the surname GREEN

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/703249

Gwyn

Baptism
County North Riding YKS
Place Thornaby on Tees
Church St Peter Ad Vincula Pr
RegisterNumber 309
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 21 Sep 1851
Forename John
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname HUTCHINSON
MotherSurname
Abode Thornaby
FatherOccupation Potter


Baptism
County North Riding YKS
Place Thornaby on Tees
Church St Peter Ad Vincula Pr
RegisterNumber 491
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 09 Oct 1855
Forename Martha
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname HUTCHINSON
MotherSurname
Abode South Stockton
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes 4th daughter


Baptism
County North Riding YKS
Place Thornaby on Tees
Church St Peter Ad Vincula Pr
RegisterNumber 271
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 05 Oct 1850
Forename James
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname HUTCHINSON
MotherSurname
Abode Thornaby
FatherOccupation Potter
Notes 1st son


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above, also Sarah 1847, could be others)

Chris :)


edits (possible James below)

Births Sep 1850 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
Hutchinson James Stockton &c. 24 285


Deaths Dec 1850 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
HUTCHINSON James Stockton & c 24 149
HUTCHINSON James Stockton & c 24 155

i have just try again and when it is sent there is no attachment so sorry but it looks the same as johns birth

PM's received from Linda, attaching certs for John and Eliza.

Eliza's is a photocopy of the original handwritten cert.
John's is a modern handwritten cert, with the details which would have been on the original.

Linda says she's sent me Sarah Ann's too, but it hasn't come through to me.

thank you i will do that tomorrow

If Sarah Ann's birth certificate is printed I would be inclined to contact Stockton Register Office and tell them you have already bought the certificate but could they please check the mother's maiden name as father's name and the address of birth were what you expected but the mother's maiden name is wrong.

It's possible that whoever wrote out the certificate looked at the next entry or the one before as they were filling in the mother's maiden name.

Kath. x

john and sarah ann are printed as though modern hand wrighting eliza jane i would say was a photo copy

No help re mms, but just for the record, here's Sarah Ann's baptism:

Sarah Ann Hutchinson

in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Sarah Ann Hutchinson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 Nov 1847
Baptism Place: Thornaby On Tees,York,England
Father: William Hutchinson
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 551578

Is it a photocopy, or an actual handwritten cert? If the latter, it will be a newly written copy. If a photocopy, it's likely to be a copy of the original handwritten cert.