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Oxley/Carter Mystery

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JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 4 Feb 2015 23:45

re the Sarah Minnie Snell error:
note the page number Page: 1437 which should be 1457 ... the correct marriage details are at familysearch here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNZ1-YFT


the family in 1881

Thomas Carter, Head 34 born Barnsley Yorkshire, iron fitter? and ?
Ada Carter, Wife 28 born Nottingham Notts
Wilfred Carter Son 6 born Chesterfield Derbyshire
Sarah Carter Dau. 1 born " "

there is a significant gap between Wilfred and Sarah ... one possibility is that Thomas was in the military (and possibly Wilfred was born after he left for a posting abroad)

if he then deserted from the military, which was not uncommon, he might have changed his name, also not uncommon

one possibility is India ... the Afghan war started in 1878 and was a source of desertions ...


Ada in 1871 for info

Name: Ada Carter
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Wakefield
Ecclesiastical parish: St MaryTown: Wakefield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Wakefield


and actually, it looks like Thomas was already married in 1871

Name: Thomas Oxley
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Oxley
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: EnglandRegistration district: Leeds

Thomas Oxley 25 labourer at foundry
Mary Ann Oxley 21 born Wedgbury, Staffordshire
Thomas Oxley 2
Joseph Oxley 5 Months

although his birth details still don't match with anything in the index

so that would explain not marrying and also not using his own name perhaps


looks like the other family in 1881

Name: Thomas Oxley
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Mary A. Oxley
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Street address: 36 Marlborough St
Registration district: Leeds

Mary A. Oxley 33 head, married, born Golden Hill, Staffordshire
Thomas Oxley 12
Herbert Oxley 8 born Leeds


Births Jun 1873
Oxley Herbert Leeds 9b 527

Births Dec 1874
Oxley Wilfred Chesterfield 7b 609


since Wilfred's birth cert names Thomas as father, either there was an estrangement between the two births, or Herbert was Mary Ann's child after she separated from Wilfred


(edit ... deleted obviously incorrect 1857 marriage!)


in any case it looks like you have a whole new set of family members :-)


someone here has

Thomas Oxley 1869 Leeds West Yorkshire

in their family tree (that is, the child of the first marriage)

and that person and another also have

Thomas Oxley 1845 Barnsley South Yorkshire


Births Dec 1845
Oxley Thomas Ecclesfield 22 139

seems to be your Thomas

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Feb 2015 22:26

everything I posted from www.familysearch.org

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 4 Feb 2015 22:05

I don't know where the info above was found

Using freebmd...........


Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)

Oxley Wilfred Chesterfield 7b 1457
Snell Sarah Minnie Chesterfield 7b 1457

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Feb 2015 20:57

Name: Thomas Oxley
Birth Date: 1851
Age: 36
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Hewitt
Spouse's Birth Date: 1864
Spouse's Age: 23
Event Date: 28 Feb 1887
Event Place: Parish Of Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name: Thomas Oxley
Spouse's Father's Name: William Buxton
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01052-5 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1752146 , Reference ID: it 4 p 133

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Feb 2015 20:53

strange?


Name: Sarah Minnie Snell
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1900
Registration District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Event Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Volume: 7B
Page: 1437
Line Number: 64


Sarah Minnie Snell probably married one of the following people

Name: Alfred Harvey
Name: William Thurlby

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Feb 2015 20:50

Name: Wilfred Oxley
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1900
Registration District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Event Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Volume: 7B
Page: 1457
Line Number: 349

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 4 Feb 2015 20:50

Name: Wilfred Oxley
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1874
Registration District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Event Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Volume: 7B
Page: 609
Line Number: 305

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 4 Feb 2015 17:57

If they didn't marry, she wasn't his wife.

He may have changed to her name for monetary gain

BTW, I think you've got the wrong year for the birth of James Carter

How did Thomas describe himself when he married Hewitt? Was he supposedly a widower?

Albert

Albert Report 4 Feb 2015 16:38

WILFRED OXLEY,my grandfather was born on 23rd September 1874

His parents were THOMAS OXLEY & ADA OXLEY(fomerly Carter) shown on birth certificate & resident at 37 Hillside, Chesterfield
1881 Census indicates family now living at 42 Newland Dale, Chesterfield but appear to have changed family name to CARTER (Ada's maiden name), the famiily being :-
Thomas Carter, Head (married) aged 34
Ada Carter, Wife (married) aged 28
Wilfred Carter Son aged 6
Sarah Carter Dau. aged 1

1892 James Carter was born
1885 Ada Carter died
1887 Thomas Carter married Mary Ann Hewitt on 28th February 1887 but using his
his real surname of Oxley, the marriage certificate confirming this. At this tiime
they were living at Higher Albert Street, Chesterfield
1888 Fanny Victoria Carter was born

1891 Census shows family now at 67 Sheffield Road, Chesterfield, the family being
Thomas Carter, Head aged 39
Mary Ann Carter, Wife aged 28
Wilfred Carter, son aged 16
Sarah Carter, dau., aged 11
james A Carter, son aged 9
Frederick Hewitt, step son aged 5
Fanny V Carter, aged 2

1895 Mary Ann Carter died
1899 Thomas Carter/Oxley died
1900 WILFRED OXLEY (now with his birth surname confirmed) married Sarah
Minnie Snell on April 2nd 1900

1901 Census indicates Wilfred & Sarah living at 15 Porter Street, Staveley
Nr. Chesterfield the family being :-
Wilfred Oxley,Head, aged 26
Sarah Minnie Oxley, wife aged 23
Minnie Oxley, dau., aged 0

The mystery is "Why did Thomas change family name from OXLEY (his birth name} to CARTER (his wife's maiden name) ?) & the big question is " Were they ever married ?" I cannot find any evidence of this in marriage records.