Genealogy Chat

The tree on Ancestry is the one kept by my brother.

He knows William went to Australia but is not sure when. His date of birth was thought to be 1912 as it was after the 1911 census - so could have been later that same year.
Weve just discovered that Frances Rosetta Day was previously married to a James Moore in 1900 and didn't actually marry Charles until 1942 but we have the birth cert of one of their children which gives Frances's name as Day.

We've searched various outward passenger lists but cant find anything relating to either William or Charles.
I think pinning the 1911 possible birth is all we can try at the moment, thanks to all.

Stephen

1911 on other 'Thread' relating below.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1330354

Chris :)

There is a tree on Ancestry that has William Martin as born in Walthamstow in 1912, son of Charles and Frances. There is a photo of William and it says he died in Australia. But there are no sources given and I haven't been able to find a 1912 birth with mother's maiden name Day.

There are a couple of 1911 births that are possible but you would need to get the birth cents to check if either of them are right.

Thanks for all your efforts but to recap:

This has nothing to do with Francis William Martin who was an uncle. Charles Martin was the eldest son (born 1905) of Charles John Martin and Frances Rosetta Day.

He also had a younger brother William who we understand was born after the 1911 census but have no details of him so far.

From what we can gather both Charles jnr and William emigrated to Australia but it is knot known if they went together or separately.

Regards, Stephen

I've messaged poster informing there is info on here for him

well done Kath :-D

There is this entry in the passenger lists:-

First name(s) FRANCIS W
Last name MARTIN
Gender Male
Age 16
Birth year 1907
Occupation FARM WKR
Departure year 1923
Departure day 10
Departure month 4
Departure port LONDON
Destination port BRISBANE
Destination BRISBANE
State Queensland
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name ESPERANCE BAY
Ship official number 140148
Ship master's first name R
Ship master's last name MACKENZIE
Shipping line COMMONWEALTH GOVERNMENT
City LONDON
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship registered tonnage 13850
Number of passengers 724
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Last address in England is 42 New Compton Street, Walthamstow.

Kath. x

Looks like I may have been wrong with the post above.

Is the Francis Martin from the 1911 census actually the William you are mentioning. There is this birth (perhaps he used his middle name):-

First name(s) FRANCIS WILLIAM
Last name MARTIN
Birth year 1907
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 386

Kath. x

EDIT - think now that this is wrong.

Was Frances's maiden name Jackson?

If so could this be the younger brother of Charles:-

First name(s) WILLIAM D
Last name MARTIN
Birth year 1914
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name JACKSON
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 485

Kath. x

?????????

Name: William Martin
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
County: Essex
Parish: Walthamstow
Sub-District: Walthamstow
Registration District: West Ham
Gender: Male
Age: 5
Birthplace: Walthamstow, Essex
Record Type: Household

??????????

Name: George William Martin
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
County: Essex
Parish: Walthamstow
Sub-District: Walthamstow
Registration District: West Ham
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Birthplace: Walthamstow, Essex
Record Type: Household

?????????

Name: George Frank Martin
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
County: Essex
Parish: Walthamstow
Sub-District: Walthamstow
Registration District: West Ham
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Birthplace: Walthamstow, Essex
Record Type: Household

????????

Name: George Martin
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
County: Essex
Parish: Walthamstow
Sub-District: Walthamstow
Registration District: West Ham
Gender: Male
Age: 0
Birthplace: Walthamstow, Essex
Record Type: Household

I've had several replies saying it is best to update this thread by editing the opening post to bring everyone up to date, so this is the story so far. Should I delete the outdated replies?

We are trying to find more of what happend to our ancester Francis William Martin after he emigrated to Austraila. He was born in Walthamstow in 1907. His father was Charles John Martin and his mother was Frances. In the 1911 census they lived at 112 Longellow Road Walthamstow.

He set sail for Brisbane in April 1923 from London aboard the ship Esperance Bay and is shown was a farm worker on the ships passenger list which gives his address was 71 Gosport Road, Walthamstow, the family address at the time which confirms it is him. Joonie has given us some clues which we are trying follow up. If anyone can find more of what happend to Francis when he settled in Oz we would be very grateful.

Francis was only 16 at the time but we dont know who he travelled with. We understand his older brother Charles also emigrated there but does not appear on that same passenger list. There is a Charles Martin (born 1905, right age) who sailed on the Bendigo from London to Sydney in the February the same year. Can anyone find more about him?

Many thanks, stephen marden