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My great aunt became a Nun in the 1890's. Born 1871 her birth name was Sarah Ann Kennedy and her Nun's name was Mother Mary Frances. In the 1890's she travelled to New York to work there. I can find Sarah Ann Kennedy names on passenger lists but not Nuns names. Occupation states SPT. Does anyone know which name she would travel under and what SPT means ?

Hi.
I can't help you personally, but folks on here might find it helpful if you say where she was born, and say when you last have her on a census - just puts her in context.
Where did you see 'SPT'?
Jan

She would travel under her given name . There are several other females travelling on the same vessel listed as SPT which is under the profession or calling list
It looks from other sailings that it may stand for spinster !

Hi Brummiejan, she was born in India where my g.grandfather was stationed at the time. From 1873 they returned to Manchester, Lancashire. I have the family on 1881 census. She became a Nun there but travelled to NYC. SPT was entered on the passenger list as her occupation.

Shirley, you might be right with spinster. I suppose nuns would travel as such.

Thank you for your advise

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from the Ellis Island site


http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/

First Name : Sarah Ann
Last Name : Kennedy
Nationality : England, English
Last Place of Residence : Liverpool
Date of Arrival : March 27th, 1893
Age at Arrival : 23y
Gender : Female
Ship of Travel : Etruria
Port of Departure : Liverpool & Queenstown
Manifest Line Number : 0157



The ship's manifest says she was born in Liverpool, and going to New York

and her reason is the same as several others .............. P.S ??????????????



Be warned, the Ellis Island site is testing a beta upgrade


it's driving me crazy!!!



You have to register in order to see any details, but it is free.

Interesting



I cannot find Sarah Ann on the Passenger Lists on ancestry .............................


the Etruria was one of the ships that carried many migrants across the Atlantic from Liverpool to New York.

My great aunt and her brand-new husband sailed on her 2 days after they married, in 1902

try the Ellis Island site, and see if you can work out if that Sarah Ann is yours ................

she might of course have travelled as Sarah A, Sarah, Miss S. A. :-(

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the reason I could not find her on the ancestry Passenger Lists :-)


a wonderful mis-transcription


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Sarah An Keung

Name: Sarah An Keung
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1870
Departure Date: 18 Mar 1893
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Etruria
Search Ship Database: Search for the Etruria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: Captain Walker



It is Kennedy on the image ...... but there isn't any more information



I have submitted an Alternate Information change, from Keung to Kennedy

Which family is she, please - Both?

1881 England Census
Sarah A. Kennedy Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Sarah A. Kennedy
Gender: Female Where born: India
Civil Parish: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street address: 1 Coal Yard Passage
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Manchester Sub registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 55 Piece: 3987 Folio: 59 Page Number: 21
Sarah A. Kennedy 39
Margt. Kennedy 17
Mary K. Kennedy 13
xxxSarah A. Kennedy 10
Martha A. Kennedy 5
Ellen Kennedy 3
Norah Kennedy 1
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3987; Folio: 59; Page: 21; GSU roll: 1341952.

1881 England Census
Sarah Ann Kennedy Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: William Kennedy
Mother: Sarah Ann Kennedy
Gender: Female Where born: East Indies
Civil Parish: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street address: 25 Holme St
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Manchester Sub registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 56 Piece: 3987 Folio: 80 Page Number: 12
William Kennedy 39
Sarah Ann Kennedy 35
James Kennedy 14
Margaret Kennedy 16
Mary Kate Kennedy 12
xxxxSarah Ann Kennedy 10
William Kennedy 8
Martha Agnes Kennedy 6
Ellen Kennedy 4
Honora Kennedy 1
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3987; Folio: 80; Page: 12; GSU roll: 1341952.

I wonder if this is her?


1900 United States Federal Census about Sister Mary Fran*
Name: Sister Mary Fran*
[Sister Sister Mary Frances]
Age: 29
Birth Date: Aug 1870
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Home in 1900: Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Relation to Head of House: Nunn
[Nan]
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Occupation: View on Image

Original says born August 1870 but in Massachusetts, so probably not her.

This one in 1910? But says born New York and age is wrong. However parents born Ireland.


1910 United States Federal Census about Mary Francis Frances
Name: Mary Francis Frances
[Sister Mary Frances]
Age in 1910: 42
Birth Year: abt 1868
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1910: Central Falls Ward 4, Providence, Rhode Island
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Assistant
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland

She's a teacher in a convent.

Yes patchem - this has been a puzzle for me for a long time. Both families are mine but why two different addresses on the census ? James Kennedy aged 14 is my grandfather but why are the males in the family missing from one of the census ?

Sarah said who was actually in the household, whilst William said who was in his complete family?

So were they in the process of moving from Holme Street to Coal Yard Passage?

Are they together in 1891?

Sarah died in 1887 and William died 1892. They remained together until death. Not sure if they were in the process of moving house. Certainly in 1891 the family were living in Copestick St, Manchester.

I am not sure about that passenger list - on the image she is shown as married (dittoed below the woman above) although her age appears in both the married and single columns; also, she appears to be travelling alone (nobody else on the same ticket no.) and I very much doubt if a nun would have travelled on her own.