Genealogy Chat

Thank you for your lovely response Karen. You've made me feel quite chuffed with myself :-D

Good luck with the rest of your researching.

Christina

good luck!

Thank you SylviaInCanada xx

Karen


to order his birth certificate, use the site ............

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Order certificates online


you have to register, but it is free


Certificates cost £9.25, post and handling included no matter where you are in the world.


Fill out the information EXACTLY as it shows in that registration that Jax has just posted

ie,

Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
Dofs William Salford 8d 175


They will ask if you have the GRO Registration Number ......... answer YES ........ it is that set of 2 numbers at the right side of the line (8d 175)




Do not use any other site ................. GRO is by far the cheapest site to use.


GRO = General Register Office

It has been suggested that this is his likely birth


Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
Dofs William Salford 8d 175

So how do I get his birth certificate when the names are different. Do I request one for Dohs, dore or dos?

Thank you thank you thank you. A big hug and huge huge thank you to ChristianS the joy I am feeling right now is just overwhelming I thank you from the bottom of my heart xxx
<3 <3 <3 <3

Well done ChristineS! Thanks to you input Karen can now get William's birth certificate

yes, here we are


two posts by Karen


Unknown Report 9 Oct 2014 23:20

William Whitham marriage certificate to Elizabeth Nunn states he was born in 1899 fathers name was Charles Whitham noted on marriage certificate deceased. Merchant navy seamen records state he was born in Salford Lancashire date of death 1935 at sea. I have researched all birth certificates for that period and none of the fathers names are Charles. They were called Dore and some of them did not change their name in the first world war. I know this as my mother said that my fathers uncle lived in the same street Broomhall Road in Swinton which must of been William Whithams brother his name was Fred that was in 1957. Are there records that show change of name (deed poll). Surely people couldnt just change their name and there are no records?



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Unknown Report 9 Oct 2014 23:37

I was told by my father that they originally came from Germany. Some were interned on the Isle of White with the name Dore. I do not know anything else except that some of the sons were in the navy and army fighting for England whilst their parents were interned. I am assuming that the name was changed by Charles Whitham that is noted on William Whitham's marriage certificate deceased in 1923. William Whitham could be older or younger than 1899 I have exhausted all avenues of finding his birth certificate. When he join the Merchant Navy did he not have to produce a birth certificate. It states on all his discharges that he was born in 1899 Salford Lancashire.

to be truthful ......

didn't Karen say there was a family story that the name had been changed to Whitham from a possibly German name?


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and the researchers on here have found this family Dohs (and variants) that seem to fit the family

But his birth wouldn't have been as Whitham, so we should have been made aware of that in the first instance.

I wasn't the only one who spent time and effort looking for Whitham

Jacqueline - Karen seems to have gone, so I'll answer your query. :-)

It's because her Gt.Grandfather, William, had changed his name to Whitham by the time he got married in 1923.

If the name was known to be Dore, why was the request for Whitham?

I think it looks very promising that we have the right family

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns,
Name: Frederick George Dores
Birth Year: abt 1901
Age: 22
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1923
Parish: Salford, St Ignatius
Parish as it Appears: Salford, St Ignatius
Father's Name: Charles Dores - deceased - ship's fireman
Spouse's Name: Louisa Plevin
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Plevin
Reference Number: GB127.L294/1/2/3

Deaths Mar 1910 (>99%)
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Dohs Sarah Ann 40 Salford 8d 11


Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
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DOHS Clara 4 Salford 8d 193


Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
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Dohs Clara Salford 8d 148


Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
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Dohs Minnie Salford 8d 168


Deaths Sep 1925 (>99%)
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Dohs Minnie 16 Salford 8d 257


Baptism: 8 Jul 1903 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Clara Dohs - [Child] of Karl Dohs & Sarah Ann
Abode: 28 Lynton St.
Occupation: Fireman
Baptised by: W.B. Irving
Register: Baptisms 1898 - 1905, Page 202, Entry 1614
Source: LDS Film 2357994


Baptism: 1 Mar 1905 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Sarah Dohs - [Child] of Karl Dohs & Sarah Ann
Abode: 28 Linton Street
Occupation: Fireman
Baptised by: Arthur Botterill
Register: Baptisms 1898 - 1905, Page 269, Entry 2152
Source: LDS Film 2357994


Baptism: 10 Feb 1909 St Clement, Salford, Lancashire, England
Minnie Dohs - [Child] of Karl Dohs & Sarah Ann
Born: 15 Jan 1909
Abode: 32 King William St.
Occupation: Stoker
Baptised by: F Challenor
Register: Baptisms 1903 - 1910, Entry 2202
Source: LDS Film 1786423

Chris :)


1911 (Find my Past, reference)
Blanche Conybere Housekeeper Single Female 30 1881 Somersetshire Somerset Houskeeper
Carl Dohs Son Single Male 13 1898 Lanc Salford School
William Dohs Son - Male 12 1899 Lanc Salford School
Frederick Dohs Son - Male 10 1901 Lanc Salford School
Sarah Dohs Daughter - Female 7 1904 Lanc Salford School
(Carl Dohs away. Head. Widowed. Fireman. Born in Germany)
Address 25 New Park Road Salford
Parish Salford
County Lancashire
Census reference RG14PN24058 RG78PN1384 RD465 SD4 ED15 SN12

(well, good ol' Blanche, lol)

If family fits?...


edits (below, possibly Minnie)

1911
First name(s) Minnie
Last name Dawes
Relationship to household head Patient
Gender Female
Age 2
Birth year 1909
Birth place Nk
Address Hope Pendelton Salford
Parish Pendleton
County Lancashire
Registration district Salford
Census reference RG14PN23975 RD465 SD1 ED44 SN9999

The family are under the name of Dohs on the 1911.

Very helpfully the housekeeper has included the widowed father Carl, although he was away at the time. Also daughter, Minnie, who was in hospital. Plus she has named daughter, Clara, although she had died.

If we have the right family here, it looks as though the name Whitham was made up from the mother's maiden name of Whitingham

I wonder if this is uncle Fred, in Swinton ??

1911 England Census

Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Swinton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
Registration District Number: 463
Sub-registration district: Worsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24-25
Piece: 23583
Household Members:


Frederick Doris 5 - patient

Edit: Just noticed Chris has already found him. Can't be this one

(to go with above finds)

Marriage: 12 May 1898 St Clement, Salford, Lancashire, England
Karl Doss - 30 Fireman Bachelor of 247 Robert Hall Street
Sarah Ann Whittingham - 28 Spinster of 247 Robert Hall Street
Groom's Father: William Doss, Farmer
Bride's Father: William Whittingham, Velvet Finisher
Witness: John Whittingham; Catherine Thorpe, (X)
Married by Banns by: Walter Hudson
Register: Marriages 1898 - 1907, Page 3, Entry 6
Source: LDS Film 1786424


Marriages Mar 1895 (>99%)
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Thorpe Harry Salford 8d 150
Whittingham Catherine Salford 8d 150


Baptism: 16 May 1900 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
William Doss - [Child] of Karl Doss & Sarah Ann
Abode: 247 Robert Hall St.
Occupation: Fireman
Baptised by: F.W. Fairhurst
Register: Baptisms 1898 - 1905, Page 82, Entry 656
Source: LDS Film 2357994


Baptism: 31 Aug 1898 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Karl Doss - [Child] of Karl Doss & Sarah Ann
Abode: 247 Robert Hall St.
Occupation: Ship Fireman
Baptised by: F.W. Fairhurst
Register: Baptisms 1898 - 1905, Page 24, Entry 187
Source: LDS Film 2357994

Chris :)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


Marriage: 24 Dec 1923 St Ignatius, Ordsall, Lancashire, England
Frederick George Dores - 22, Cable Worker, Bachelor, 169 Over Regent Rd.
Louisa Plevin - 21, Cable Worker, Spinster, 92 Tatton St.
Groom's Father: Charles Dores, (deceased), Ship Fireman
Bride's Father: Charles Plevin, (deceased), Warehouseman
Witness: Henry Clarke; Letitia Maron
Married by Banns by: R.A.E. Bell M.A. (Rector)
Register: Marriages 1920 - 1930, Page 46, Entry 91
Source: Manchester Central Library


Births Dec 1901 (>99%)
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DOHS Frederick George Salford 8d 190


Baptism: 18 Dec 1901 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Frederick George Dohs - [Child] of Carl Dohs & Sarah Ann
Abode: 247 Robert Hall St.
Occupation: Ship Stoker
Baptised by: W.B. Irving
Register: Baptisms 1898 - 1905, Page 136, Entry 1088
Source: LDS Film 2357994

.???

Name: Karl Dofs
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 173


Name: William Dofs
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 175