Genealogy Chat

Of course it does. So no hope of fining out anything about them. Not to worry, Thank you.

Maureen, looking at the image of the 1911, I am pretty sure that the names are Mrs Fletcher and Berty Fletcher. The ditto mark after Berty is only below the Fletcher on the line above and not under Lodger. No relationship is given for Mrs Fletcher - I believe that the "Lodger" should be in that column.

Mrs Fletcher's POB is given as Wisbech, Cambrigeshire and Berty's as Manchester.

The form is signed not by Mary Finn but by Eliza Jane Fletcher

I think you will find that the Fletchers were Lodgers which was very common back then anyway....the image does actually say Lodger but not put in the box

I have drawn a complete blank with Mrs Fletcher Lodge and Berty Lodge. They are listed as living with Mary Finn on 1911 census and I found them on Ancestry so know they were not Lodgers! How can I find out what Bertys mothers maiden name could have been.

Thank you greyghost. My Grandfather was known as both, but unfortunately it doesn't make any difference. The marriage to Agnes Fathers is correct as is the death.

During my rsearch being Joseph or John hasn't proved at all fruitful.

I am now going down the NOK route as this name means nothing to me at the moment. Hopefully Mary Finn has living family.

Also applied for some records in Dublin, this is a lead I knew nothing about until today when I received his Army Records.

Thank you for your help.

There are 2 Leonard marriages in 1927 which might fit. None found in Scotland

Michael Leonard (no other initial) to Agnes Fathers in Worksop, Notts or
John M Leonard to Florence G Deall or Curtis in Liverpool.

If the latter then this would perhaps match up with the death found in 1980.

And if so, have both these records got the name John wrong or is it the army records where Joseph is wrong?And then, is it J Michael or Michael J as this could make a difference when looking for records?

Hello Jax,

Yes I know this is my Grandad thanks. That's about it for now. Waiting for some records now from Dublina, will keep everyone posted if I find something interesting! Thank you all for your help so far.

Kind regards.

This is the only death I can see


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Michael John Leonard




Name:
Michael John Leonard

Birth Date:
1 May 1904

Date of Registration:
Dec 1980

Age at Death:
76

Registration district:
Lichfield

Inferred County:
Staffordshire

Volume:
30

Page:
0850

Hello Potty,

Yes he was a Catholic. He moved to the UK about 1922/23 this is when he enlisted in the British Army. He was married in the UK in 1927 and died in the UK in 1980. I have over the years found it extremely difficult to find anything out pre 1922, he just doesn't appear to exist and he certainly didin't talk about any relatives. My Nan told me he was sent to an orphange somewhere in Ireland, but where it is anyones guess.

Maureen.

I can't find a birth for him in Tipperary or find him on the 1911 census, although there are quite a few possibles in the rest of Ireland. Was he a Catholic and did he marry and die in Ireland?

Yes I appreciate that. His date/place of birth is on his Army records. His NOK is given as an Aunt, who no-one has ever mentioned. I have written to Rev Barbara Fryday who is in charge on Parish Records for all Churchs in Clonmel but unfortunately I have never received a reply. I really have no idea where to go next.

Regards Maureen

An orphan is a child without living parents, not one completely without relatives

How did you find out when and where he was born?

Thanks Maureen not too long then, heard it could be almost a year...may send for my grandfathers then

Hello Ricochet,

Tried that a very long time ago, zero results. But thanks.

Hi Jax,

I ordered them in May and got them today. If it is Army records you want this is the address:-

Administrative Officer,
Historical Disclosures Branch,

MS Support Division, Army Personnel Centre, MP 555, Kentigern House, 65 Brown Street,Glasgow G2 8EX.
You can print off the forms on the Gov.UK website, requesting army records, it costs £30.

You could look for your grandfather on the 1911 Irish census, which is free

Hi Jax,

I really don't know. I was looking really for the surname Leonard, in Clonmel. As I said I always thought he was an orphan, although I do know he put his fathers name on his marriage certificate as John Leonard, Farmer, deceased. I was hoping when I got his army records all would be revealed, how wrong can you be.!!!!!

As a matter of interest how long did it take to receive your grandfathers army records since ordering them

Not knowing where and who she married could prove difficult

there is this one in Ireland....but wouldn't like to say that was deff her

Name: Mary Murphy
Spouse: Martin Finn
Other: Mary Wahlers
Marriage: 21 Nov 1877 - New Ross, Wexford, Ireland
Other: 21 Nov 1877

A maiden name for Mary Finn would be a great help if possible.