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Thanks nameslessone and ErikaH for newcomer advice.
Will try and contact direct.
David

David

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Hi Dianne
I know this chat has long finished (2014) but just came across it today.
Have some Holmes history going back to John and wondered if still possible we could converse on this subject.
Best,
David Holmes
Australia

Maybe Rosa thought she was born there or the registrar just assumed she was??

Not every record is online but if you want to know what Carolines maiden name was and where she was born you will need that 2nd marriage cert

Thanks again! Rosa's birth wasn't on the records for NSW, but she was born in England or California, so an error was made. No wonder people have a hard time looking for their ancestors! Dianne

Maybe you should purchase this marriage cert....she is sure to know her own maiden name


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Caroline Holmes
Name:
Caroline Holmes
Spouse Name:
William Fletcher
Marriage Date:
1852
Marriage Place:
New South Wales
Registration Place:
Gosford, Kincumber, New South Wales
Registration Year:
1852
Volume Number:
V C

On Rosa Holmes's marriage cert it says she was born NSW and consent was given by her mother Caroline Fletcher... no mention of her maiden name on that one

I am only going by the trees on Ancestry....as I said they differ

The marriage certificate which I have looked at for George says his parents names were John Holmes dec'd Typefounder and mother was Caroline Gager.....so maybe George didn't bother to ask his mother what her name was and just made it up???

Thank-you again for your help, but Gager couldn't be Caroline's last name
and you have to take what is said with a grain of salt. John did not marry
Caroline in 1838 and the one in 1839 is not them. I've looked at all these
records and there is no proof. If, you have the California records from 1840-1850,
I would appreciate it. Dianne

This is also from the same tree as I gave above

Death Notice 21 May 1880





edwardsauckland added this on 16 Jan 2014


THE FRIENDS of Mrs. CAROLINE FLETCHER (relict of the late William Fletcher) are invited to attend her Funeral ; to move from the residence of Mrs. Dowling, Hamilton Street, Balmain West, THIS (Friday) AFTERNOON, at half-past 1 o'clock, to Petersham station, thence per funeral train to the Necropolis. W. H. WOOD. Undertaker, Darling-street, Balmain. THE FRIENDS of Mr. GEORGE FLETCHER are respectfully invited to the Funeral of his deceased MOTHER, Mrs. Caroline Fletcher ; to move from the residence of Mrs. Dowling, Hamilton Street, Balmain West.



Timeline



Birth
1809

Abt
England


Marriage to John Holmes
1838

Age: 29
She was reportedly dutch or German


Immigration
1845

abt

Age: 36
from San Francisco



1 Source?
Marriage to William Fletcher
1852

Age: 43
Sydney NSW Australia#V1852 192 38C



1 Source?
Death
1880

21 May

Age: 71

Did George Holmes marry Margaret wade in 1866....if so John Holmes and Caroline Gager were his parents. (as per the marriage cert)

On the marriage cert for George, fathers occupation was a Typefounder

George died in 1918 father John Holmes Mother Caroline unknown

he was born in San Francisco and was 76 and had been in Australia of 69 years

These marriage and death certs belong to the tree owner of the one I gave you above

So the details I gave you seem to fit but the dates are slightly out

Thank-you again for your suggestions, William Henry was born about 1830 in
England and he died in 1867 in NSW. Rosa Holmes was born in April 1841- March
1842 in England or the USA and George Holmes was born on 11 April 1842 or 1845. Caroline Holmes remarried in 1852 to William Fletcher in NSW. Caroline
might have been born in London and can't find a marriage to John Holmes, she
could have been married before. Would the William Henry Holmes, son to John
and Caroline have been born about 1830? There was a John Holmes at www.castlegardens.org arriving in 1849 as a Iron Moulder at New York, USA, plus
Mr and Mrs Holmes and 4 children leaving San Francisco to Australia on the John
Witt vessel in 1849.

Will this help! Dianne

Is this the correct son?

He has been appointed to the Public School Board for Clarence District of Sydney.

New South Wales, Australia, Government Gazettes, 1853-1899
Name: William Henry Holmes
Event Date: 25 Mar 1897
Event Place: Clarence Town
Page Number: 2243

If you don't answer our questions, which are asked for a reason, how do you imagine we can possibly help you?

Dianne ................


we really do need more information if we are to help you.


Remember, we are only members like yourself, using the experience we have gained over the years of researching our own families, and also using various sites that we have learnt about over the years.

BUT ............. we do need help from you!



For example .............................

are you sure that you have the correct children??


I could not find a John and Caroline with those named children

I could find a William Henry with parents John and Caroline, but not with siblings Rosa or George


I could find siblings Rosa and George with parents John and Caroline (different surname) but not a sibling William Henry (or William or Henry)




How did you get back to this family?

Ok

I am sorry we cannot help unless you give us some info about them or their children

That was not the correct John and Caroline, thanks for your reply. Dianne

You have not said if this is the correct John and Caroline...if it is we may be able to find further info......how did you get back to them? are you decended from one of their children?