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I am almost tearing my hair out!!!!!

John married Louie Hill in 1895 and she died same year giving birth to their daughter Elsie.

On 1901 census has been found as a Widower with his daughter age 5.

1911 census - now this is my problem - he has written on his marriage deatials next to his name 16 years (which is how long he would have been married to Louie) and next to Emily his wife 7 years (which tallies with the birth of their son Jack.
I cannot find a marriage for him to an Emily.

On FreeBMD there are only 3 entries for the marriage and try as I might I cannot find the fourth name. I do not think he married Rose Emily Stanford as she is born in E. Grinstead and not Reigate.
On Ancestry Surrey Marriages no marriage in 1904 for a John with father WIlliam to any girl with the name Emily anywhere.

Can anyone help with the missing bride from this record. Will be back later, off to start dinner.

Thank you
Chris :-)

I take it you mean this family


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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Address KILDARE 4 TANYARD LANE REDHILL
Parish REIGATE
County Surrey
Country ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 11
Registration District REIGATE
Registration District Number 37
SubDistrict Number 2
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name JOHN
Last Name GADD
Birth Year 1873
Age 38
Where Born MEADVALE REDHILL
Relationship To Head of Household HEAD
Gender Male
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage 1895
Years Of Marriage 16
Occupation PLUMBERS FITTER
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN3218 RG78PN121 RD37 SD2 ED11 SN338
Archive Reference RG14
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Page
Piece Number 3218
Person 2
First Name EMILY
Last Name GADD
Birth Year 1872
Age 39
Where Born MEADVALE REDHILL
Relationship To Head of Household WIFE
Gender Female
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage 1904
Years Of Marriage 7
Occupation HOUSEWIFE
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN3218 RG78PN121 RD37 SD2 ED11 SN338
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 3218
Person 3
First Name ELSIE
Last Name GADD
Birth Year 1896
Age 15
Where Born REDHILL
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN3218 RG78PN121 RD37 SD2 ED11 SN338
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 3218
Person 4
First Name JACK
Last Name GADD
Birth Year 1905
Age 6
Where Born EARLSWOOD REDHILL
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male
Condition
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN3218 RG78PN121 RD37 SD2 ED11 SN338
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 3218
Person 5
First Name BETTY
Last Name GADD
Birth Year 1911
Age 0
Where Born REDHILL
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Condition
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN3218 RG78PN121 RD37 SD2 ED11 SN338
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 3218

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I found 3 marriages on GR for John Gadd to Emily between the 2 census records you mentioned.

1) Emily Stevenson in 1903 in Staffordshire
2) Emily Cooper in 1906 in Sussex
3) Emily Billington in 1909 in Islington, London

Nothing in Surrey

It would have helped if you'd given details of the marriage you referred to..............rather than my having to look for it

Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Gadd John Reigate 2a 259
Moll Henry Edward Reigate 2a 259
Stanford Rose Reigate 2a 259

Who did Henry Moll marry?

Have you looked for him with a wife in 1911?

This will give you the mother's details

Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Gadd Betty Reigate 2a 199

Here she is, it is a mistranscription, the original is p 259

Wheatley Emily Sophia Reigate 2a 250

Which ties in which Jack:

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
GADD Jack Wheatley Reigate 2a 206

Rose

Yes it was Emily Wheatley - I had looked and Jacks middle name for some reason just did not register.

Rose Stanford married Edward Moll and there is an excellent tree on Ancestry complete with pictures of this couple who emigrated to Canada.

Thank you all for that, am sitting here slapping my forehead!!!

:-D

Update - have now submitted a correction to the records on FreeBMD. This should when amended filter through to all the other genealogical sites who use :-)