Genealogy Chat

Anne, I see you mention buying birth certificates, you really only need to buy the 1845 one - the one mgnv posted from Lancs bmd - that gives his mother's maiden name as Gardner and Robert Bleasdale married Esther Gardner. This is the GRO ref:

Births Dec 1845 (>99%)
Bleasdale William Henry Preston 21 660

Have PMd Anne the Bleasdale/Gillibrand marriage image.

Thank you Sylvia - I will purchase the birth certificates at least that may give me some clarity.

Anne

Anne ..................

re Edmund being given as William's father on the Census


It is always an assumption by the enumerators and the modern day transcribers that the husband is the father of a child shown n the census ........................ the fact that William kept his mother's maiden name is an indication that he was illegitimate if he was indeed Ann's son, and not the child of another offspring of Ellen.

You would have to buy his birth certificate to determine the true story ................. which in this case, would mean buying at least 2 certificates as there are 2 William Bleasdale's born in the time period.


It is worth noting, in case you were not aware, that any child born of a married woman is considered the child of her husband whether or not the husband is still living with his wife, or indeed, whether he is dead!


I once found a birth certificate for a child named as the son of a man who had died 10 years before ............... his wife had not remarried, still used her married name, and the registrar either assumed that the husband was the father, or the widow told a lie.


This means that it is very difficult to find the birth father!


The only times that you do not see this, are

a) when the mother tells the Registrar that her husband is dead and she does not know the father ............... but the child will still have her married name as that is her legal name, and you would not know about the father unless you bought the certificate

or b), the birth father attends the Registry Office and admitted to being the father.

Thank you for the above it seems I have got the wrong details regarding Edmund Airey being his Williams father I have amended my tree - thank you all for your help and advice.

Anne

The marriage image on Ancestry gives William Henry's father as Robert, Brewer. The couple were both living at 1 Paradise St, Salford. William, 26, warehouseman; Rosina, 21, father Robert, Shoemaker.

Lancs opc has this baptism, but Robert's occupation is different:

Baptism: 11 Jan 1846 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William Henry Bleasdale - [Child] of Robert Bleasdale & Esther
Abode: Chatham St
Occupation: Wool Comber
Baptised by: W M Colles Curate

Edit: just noticed the baptism has already been posted.

It would be odd if he were his dad, but if you read the posts carefully, you'll see that Robt was his dad and Edmund his uncle.


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1873
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BLEASDALE William H GILLIBRAND Rosena Manchester, St. John Manchester STJ/40/145

There's a hit at Ancestry, but I don't have a sub, and didn't guess all the missinG details.
MAYBE SOMEONE WITH AN ANCESTRY SUB COULD HELP OUT HERE.

All Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 results for William Bleasdale
Name Spouse's Name Marriage Date Parish Father's Name View Images
William Henry Bleasdale Rosena Gillibrand date city Robert Bleasdale

Hi Potty
The William Bleasdale that was my great great great grandfather married Rosina Gillbrand? I think. Rosina had 4 sisters they all moved to the Pendleton area of Salford presumably for work (Rosina has been spelt differently on the census Rosena) I find it odd that Edward Airey was William's father but did not take his father's name kept his mother's name Bleasdale

Who did he marry? There seem to be two Williams born 1845/1846 in Preston.

Thank you all so much for your help regarding my search.

Regards Anne

This looks like Jan's 1851 mob:

1841 England Census Transcription
Street DOLPHIN HOLME
Parish COCKERHAM
City -
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
House Number -
House Name -
Registration District LANCASTER
Town ELLEL
Archive Reference HO107 Piece Number 528 Book 17 Folio 31 Page 26

HELEN BLEASDALE 1801 40 Widow
CATHERINE BLEASDALE 1821 20 Worsted Spinner
HELEN BLEASDALE 1823 18 Worsted Spinner
ROBERT BLEASDALE 1825 16 Wool Comber
ANNE BLEASDALE 1827 14 Worsted Spinner
RICHARD BLEASDALE 1829 12 Worsted Spinner
ELIZABETH BLEASDALE 1831 10 Worsted Spinner
HENRY BLEASDALE 1833 8
[All have pob=Lancs - Recall adult (15+) ages rounded down to a mult of 5 in 1841]


http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 11 Oct 1845 St John, Preston, Lancs.
Robert Bleasdale - 21 Wool Comber Bachelor of Chatham St
Esther Gardner - (X), 22 Reeler Spinster of High St
Groom's Father: late Henry Bleasdale, Wool Comber
Bride's Father: William Gardner, Overlooker
Witness: Robert Spaight; Nancy Slater, (X)
Married by Banns by: W. M. Colles Curate
Register: Marriages 1845 - 1846, Page 131, Entry 261
Source: LDS Film 93993

Baptism: 11 Jan 1846 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William Henry Bleasdale - [Child] of Robert Bleasdale & Esther
Abode: Chatham St
Occupation: Wool Comber
Baptised by: W M Colles Curate
Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1847, Page 174, Entry 1390
Source: LDS Film 1278755

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BLEASDALE William Henry Preston Preston GARDNER PRES/34/42

Marriage: 25 Mar 1849 St John, Preston, Lancs.
Edmund Airey - 27, Overlooker, Bachelor, Simspon St
Ann Bleasdell - (X), 23, Winder, Spinster, Bedford St
Groom's Father: George Airey, Overlooker
Bride's Father: late Henry Bleasdell, Labourer
Witness: James Simpson; Alice Standing
Married by Banns by: John Kitton Officiating Minister
Register: Marriages 1847 - 1849, Page 243, Entry 485
Source: LDS Film 93994

ancestry shows William as the son of Edmund and Ann ...............


1851 Census

Name: William Bleasdale
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Edmund Airey
Mother's name: Ann Airey
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 2dd
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 2267
Folio: 7
Page Number: 3

Ellen Bleasdale 52 b.ca 1799, Wyersdale, Lancashire, Head, Unmarried, Housekeeper
Richard Bleasdale 22 b.ca 1829, Wyersdale, Son, Mechanic
Elizabeth Bleasdale 29 b.ca 1822, Wyersdale, Daughter, Worsted Winder
Henry Bleasdale 17 b.ca 1834, Wyersdale, Son, Worsted Weaver
Edmund Airey 29 b.ca 1822, Ellel, Lancashire, Son-in-Law, Overlooker
Ann Airey 24 b.ca 1827, Wyersdale , Cotton Winder
William Bleasdale 5

Address:- 100 Bedford Street



Ann Bleasdale has been added as Additional Information to Ann Airey's record

FMP thinks Ellen is on:
Archive Reference HO107 Piece Number 2266 Folio 7 Page 2
and the rest of here family is at:
Archive Reference HO107 Piece Number 2266 Folio 7 Page 3
and those are the pages it takes you to.(and they're not there).

Ancestry thinks they're at
Archive Reference HO107 Piece Number 2267 Folio 7 Page 2-3

Thank you all so much for your help burmmiejan I myself wondered whether Ann was the mother of William - thank you for reporting the page for me Stuart

Must be my computer - I have the transcript, commencing with Richard at 100 Bedford street, but when I ask to see the original it takes me to numbers 54 and 55 St Peters Ward and 233/234 Fylde Street. No mentions of the Bleasdales. Asking to see previous page takes me to Page 1 and for next page it just shows me page 3 again and again......... Have put in a report.

Ellen is the head, but has been put at bottom of previous page.
Jan

Have looked on FMP and there seems to be a problem looking at originals either via names or Address. The FMP transcription when inputting via an address search gives Ellen Bleasdale aged 52 as the Unmarried Head of Household, born Wyresdale and a Housekeeper

I wonder if he might be Anne's son? Just a guess though!

Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%)
Airey Edmund Preston 21 444
Bleasdall Ann Preston 21 444

Jan

1851 England Census
Name: Ellen Bleasdale
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wyersdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Preston

Ellen Bleasdale 52
Richard Bleasdale 22
Elizabeth Bleasdale 29
Henry Bleasdale 17
Edmund Airey 29
Ann Airey 24
William Bleasdale 5

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1861 England Census
Name: William C Bleasdale
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Bleasdale
Mother's name: Esther Bleasdale
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston

Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate

Robert Bleasdale 37
Esther Bleasdale 39
William C Bleasdale 15
John Bleasdale 13
Richd Bleasdale 10
Robert Bleasdale 8