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James Alex Bains, "England and Wales Census, 1851"
Name: James Alex Bains
Age: 8
Gender: Male
Birthplace: Shields, Durham
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Schedule Type: Household

A tree on Ancestry has an image of the 1901 Canadian census for Jas A Baines, DOB 16th November 1842, Methodist, Farm Labourer.

This tree gives his father as Alexander Baines, Master Mariner.

The image for James Baines and Eliza Holland's marriage is on Ancestry. Both ages given as full; James - widower, Mariner, father John Alexander Bains, ship builder.

Ancestry also has Master's Certs for a James Alexander Baines:

DOB 16th November 1842 South Shields; the last date mentioned is 1870 "Passed for Steam".

There are 3 signatures on the Master's Certs and although none of them are in full as the one on the marriage cert is, they do look very similar. What do others think?

Yes Safc, that is her remarriage.

Carol

safe,

Thanks for that, but I have all information for Fernando, it is really his father that is the mystery. Only known information I have is his name on a marriage cert.

Porkie Pie, never considered the James b. 1856, just been checking but again cannot find him on any census. Think next move is to get his birth cert. to see if it throws any light on the matter.

Carol

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Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
BAINS Eliza Shoreditch 1c 151
MEEKING Adah Shoreditch 1c 151
NIGHTINGALE Edmund Shoreditch 1c 151
Staples Grant Shoreditch 1c 151

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image on findmypast.co.uk.

Fernando Baily, "England and Wales Census, 1891"
Name: Fernando Baily
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Male
Age: 12
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Marylebone, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hackney
Sub-District: West Hackney
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Pauls Haggerston
Parish: Hackney
County: London, Middlesex

The marriage iin Shoreditch is possible this man

Births Dec 1856
Bains James Alexander S.Shields 10a 459

for him to be the same man who married Jane Elizabeth Nicholson in 1867 would mean he married age 11 years old

I suspect its the reason Reggie asked about ages given for him on the marriage cert

Your man (1867 marriage) may have not had his birth registered or was born before civil registration

Roy

Edit, I see the thread has moved on since i started looking :-S

Reggie,

Just pulled certs. out my mistake it says Ship Builder. which I believe can be a shipwright. It is a John Bains I really need, if that was his name.

Carol

Safh,

Yes that is my g.grandmother, see you found it easily. That was my eurika moment, always remember the day sitting in Family Record Offices, think every one else in the building heard lol, it took me 2 yrs to find her.

Carol

You mentioned a Shipwright..............this one perhaps?

1891 census
Person: BAINS, Alexander Address: 205, Albion Row, Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne

BAINS, Alexander Head Married M 54 1837 Shipwright
South Shields, Durham VIEW
BAINS, Jane Wife F 51 1840
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland VIEW
BAINS, Alexander Son Single M 20 1871 Plumber
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland VIEW
BAINS, Annie Daughter Single F 15 1876 Domestic Servant
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland VIEW
BAINS, Willie Son M 13 1878 Apprentice Plumber
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland VIEW
BAINS, Euphemia Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland

Yes all those census are correct for the James b. South shields.

Great grandmother remarried her lodger Edmund Nightingale in 1885, don't know if she had to prove she was a widow.

Carol

Eliza Barnes, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Eliza Barnes
Age (Original): 29
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1852
Birthplace: B Gn, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Shop Steward
Address: 147 Finnis St
Event Place: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341093
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 429 / 76
Page Number: 99
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Wife Head Eliza Barnes F 29 B Gn, Middlesex, England
Son James A Barnes M 5 Sditch, Middlesex, England
Daughter Alice E Barnes F 4 Sditch, Middlesex, England
Daughter Ada L Barnes F 1 Tottm, Middlesex, England
Son Fernando Barnes M 0 B Gn, Middlesex, England

Hi Reggie,
Grandfather was reg. Fernando Riccardo Bains b. 10.3.1881 Bethnal Green, Middx. Father James Alexander Bains mariner, mother Eliza Bains Nee Holland.

Yes that is the James Bains that emigrated to Canada with his wife Jane, and daughter Annie, his first daughter died in c.1890 and a son Alexander who died 1930 Canada of Schizophrenia.

Age on marriage cert. says full.
Carol

1891 census


Person: BAINS, Jane E Address: 9, Charlotte Terrace, Westoe, South Shields

BAINS, James C Head Married M 48 1843 Master Mariner
South Shields, Co Durham VIEW
BAINS, Jane E Wife Married F 48 1843
South Shields, Co Durham VIEW
BAINS, Annie Daughter Single F 17 1874
South Shields, Co Durham

1881 census

Person: BAINS, Alexander Address: 9, Charlotte Terr, Westoe

NICHOLSON, Margary Head Widow F 76 1805
So Shields, Durham VIEW
BAINS, James A Son In Law Married M 38 1843 Master Mariner
So Shields, Durham VIEW
BAINS, Jane E Daughter Married F 38 1843
So Shields, Durham VIEW
BAINS, Ethel M Grand Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
So Shields, Durham VIEW
BAINS, Alexander Grand Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
So Shields, Durham VIEW
BAINS, Annie Grand Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
So Shields, Durham VIEW
JACKSON, Margaret Servant Single F 20 1861 Domestic Servant
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland

1871 census

Person: BAINS, Alexander Address: Charlotte Terrace, Westoe, South Shields

BAINS, James A Head M 28 1843 County Durham VIEW
BAINS, Jane E Wife F 28 1843 County Durham VIEW
BAINS, Ethel M Daughter F 1 1870 County Durham VIEW
BAINS, Alexander Son M 0 1871 County Durham VIEW
NICHOLSON, Margery Mother-In-Law F 68 1803 County Durham VIEW
ORD, Jane C Nurse F 38 1833 County Durham VIEW
WARDLE, Mary A Servant F 22 1849 County Durham

Name: Alexander Bains
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Apr 1871
Christening Place: LAYGATE PRESBYTERIAN-NC,SOUTH SHIELDS,DURHAM,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1871
Father's Name: James Alexander Bains
Mother's Name: Jane Elizabeth Nicholson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: D19810-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: unknown
Reference ID:

For INFO.......................

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
BAINS James Alexander Newcastle T 10b 167
NICHOLSON Jane Elizabeth Newcastle T 10b 167

Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)
BAINS James Alexander Shoreditch 1c 250
HOLLAND Eliza Shoreditch 1c 250

The only 1891 emigration on FMP

Name: Jas BAINS
Date of departure: 8 May 1891
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Montreal, Canada
Passenger destination: London, United Kingdom
Date of Birth: 1843 (calculated from age)
Age: 48 Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Lab
Passenger recorded on: Page 6 of 8
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage:
Annie BAINS | Page 6 of 8 Age 17
Jane BAINS | Page 6 of 8 Age 48

THIS man's occupation was LABOURER