Genealogy Chat

I'm afraid I don't know quite what this is ...

http://www.logainm.ie/Image.aspx?PlaceID=36525&Url=text&NoBlock=yes

but there are a number of 1838 references to

Doonty
Doonty
Dúnta
Dúnta (forts)
Doontas and Doontee
Doon
Doontee
Doonties
Doontice

Doontice is the only one with the 'TAB' reference which would be the Tithe Applotment Book.

It seems like there may have been various names/spellings for the same place?

using the 'back' link at the top we get:

http://www.logainm.ie/Place.aspx?PlaceID=36525

contae - Maigh Eo/Mayo [county]
barúntacht - Gaileanga/Gallen
paróiste dlí - Cill Lasrach/Killasser [parish]

baile fearainn
Na Dúnta
gin. na nDúnta
(Gaeilge)

Doonty
(Béarla)

Taifid chartlainne
. taifid téacs

It seems to be suggesting variant names :-)

Anyone here who speaks the necessary language??

ah, google translate is of some limited help ... the heading at the top of the list of places at the first link 'Taifid chartlainne' is 'archival records' and 'taifid téacs' is text records ... 'baile fearainn' is townland ... and I was right about the 'back' link.

in the 1901 census there is one household in Doonty townland and there are several housholds in Doonties East/West. They are in different 'DED's in Mayo but I don't know what that is.

There is an 1865 marriiage in Killaser of an Owen Freney to Honor Henegan.
This man's father was also caled Owen Freney

Also, if anyone has access to FMP ?
Could they look at this?
Thomas Rowley, "United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913"
Name: Thomas Rowley
Event Type: Pension
Event Year Range: 1760-1913
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: Mayo
Birth Year (Estimated): 1820

You clicked on the 'O' link? it opens the pdf document, enlarge it and it really says

O'n

rather than O (as the one below says Pat'k)

the 'n' is superscript showing it is the short form, like Rob't and Rich'd and Eliz'th in old records.

I think I agree, this is quite a strong link and the "dunatas" is very similar to "doontice".
I cant see the name "Owen" on the link but only "O".....is this nomal?

I just want to say a big thank you to everybody that has helped so far.

i'll keep the thread alive because I am awaiting a response from the Killasser parish.

Many thanks
Mark

The Owen Rowley in the Doontice land record could be the father or an uncle or a cousin of John ... finding that name which is not the most common, in Mayo County in a place that sounds very much like 'Dunatas' when spoken by someone with 'an accent' who was illiterate (everyone was) to an English clergyman ... well, is there a better theory? :-)

Again yes this is a possibility.
Im going to contact the Killasser parish anf find out if they have a register for bmds anf hopefully this may shed some more light

Mark.
John and Catherine Rowley had 4 sons: Patrick, Owen, Thomas and John.

Very often, children were named for their grandparent.
John Rowley ( died 1850) may have named one of his sons for his own father

Just a thought and may be completely off track here but "natus" in Latin means born, produced.
Could it be that the priest is saying the family were from County Mayo.
Is Dunatas a place name?

In the 1851 census Owen is 6 yrs old.......so born c1845.....so how could he be in a mayo record in 1834? Forgive me if im being a little slow!!

Ok first question.....did I know John Rowleys death record provided a father name?.....I bought his death certificate which I can send to you. ...he died in 1850 of diseased lungs in the Scarborough workhouse. ...he was just 40 but didn't know of his fathers name!....where can I get this?

Ok now for the Owen points. ......all seems believable and that townland seems to fit with the baptism record of John Rowley the 4th son...... but why would Owen be the tenant? I didnt think he was born until early to mid 1840s in Mayo......I will keep lookinh at this.......interesting - are all of the lodgers mentioned here....? Catharine, John (dad), Patrick and Thomas?

Wow....just read all the new messages. Thank you!

Just to confirm - yes there was 4 sons in total. ....Patrick, Thomas, Owen and John........all born in County Mayo apart from the last which was Grindale East Yorkshire.
Catharines maiden name is Freney.....
ok I'll have a look at your link and come back to you

thank you!

the old memory hasn't quite gone, yet :-D

Thankies Sylvia :-D :-D
You are right.
OH did say....... Perches not Purches

GL


acres / roods / perches :-)


old measures


we had to learn them when I was in Junior School, back in the 40s


40 perches = 1 rood

4 roods = 1 acre


perches and roods are still apparently used officially in Jamaica and Sri Lanka!

Sorry Joonie,
I did it again.... edited whilst you were adding Xxx

but it's just one image, repeated three times :-)

probably really 1 piece of land consisting of three 'quantities' having those three 'qualities'?

only one rent paid for total quantity in holding

It's 3 separate pieces of land in Doontice, of which Owen Rowley is the tenant.
Consisting of Arable, Mountain Pasture and Red Bog

Edit
Asked my OH the other day about the 3 sections marked "Quantities In Detail"
As a land valuer, he says that it is in old measures.
Acres/Roods/Purches ..... whatever that may be!

good spot -- and the Tithe Applotment Books seem to be the only place it ever existed!

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Mayo/Killasser/

if you click on Doontice there you find three O Rowley entries for 1834 (in Killasser parish) and can see the original images! (actually I think the three are all the same thing)

'Holds by lease from Mr Yaaffe[??] who holds by lease of lives under Colonel Jack....[??]'


when I asked for 'doontice ireland' google asked me whether I meant dentist ... or doolin, or dooneen ... but did find that one result.


edit - you edited to add the link while I was typing :-)

Did John Rowley's death record provide a father's name?
Do you know Catherine's maiden name?

What about this?
Your Rowley family had a son called Owen.

Pretty sure that this an Owen Rowley in a Townland called.... Doontice!

Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1837 about On Rowley
Name: On Rowley
County: Mayo
Parish: Killasser
Townland: Doontice ****
Year: 1834

EDIT: Doontice Applotment books 1834
see page2
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Mayo&townland=Doontice&parish=Killasser&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

Correct......moved over because of the potato famine in Ireland