Genealogy Chat

Thanks for the clarification, JoonieCloonie, I follow your line of thought now. I agree that name changes such as you suggest are not uncommon. Also the two Shurety children with Weston as mother support your argument. I think I'll wait and see what the marriage certificate says, the birth certificates for the two children might be enlightening too. I wonder whether there is traceable family for the two children who might be able to shed some light on the history?

Thanks for both the research and the imaginative leap. When I get the certificate I'll take up the chase.

Thank you too, Detective, you've certainly found some interesting trails. It looks to me as if my theory about Frank Weston was well wide of the mark, I think I'll have to write that one off to experience. The ER results, however are very interesting. Taken together with JoonieCloonie's thinking it traces a Florence, and perhaps the Florence very well. But if she was where the ER says, then she wasn't in Argentina.

Which means, I think, waiting for the certificate(s) to arrive and seeing what I can learn from them.

Found Leonard George SHurety in 1901 in St Pancras

Alfred Shurety 47 horse keeper
Annie Shurety 40
Ernest Shurety 14
Frederick Shurety 13
Robert Shurety 11
Lilian Shurety 8
Leonard Shurety 6
Ethel Shurety 4
John Shurety 3
Edgar Shurety 1
Dorothy Shurety 6 Months

and still with the family in 1911 in St Marylebone, still spelled SHurety

It does look that 'Sherretz' is some sort of wierd misreading of the name on the certificate, which I think will come out as Shurety when you get it :-)

I think it was just misread as

S, h, er (for u), r, e, t, z (for y)

quite the merry chase just to rule out that one Florence Weston!

Just having a nosey about on The National Archives and spotted this,


Name Parr, Arthur William. Date of Birth: 22 August 1895.
Air Ministry: Department of the Master-General of Personnel: Officers' Service Records. Name Parr, Arthur William. Date of Birth: 22 August 1895.
Collection:Records created or inherited by the Air Ministry, the Royal Air Force, and related bodiesDate range: 1918 - 1919 Reference:AIR 76/389/101Subjects:Armed Forces (General) | Air ForceBrowse by hierarchy | Browse by reference


You may already have this info, but just incase you didn't thought I'd post it :-)

You probably have this too,

Historical Records
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Arthur William Parr
Name: Arthur William Parr
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1895
Father's Name: Thomas Parr >> occupation! Mail Driver
Mother's Name: Edith Louise Parr
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 22nd August 1895
Address 45 Huntingdon Street.

Thank you very much for looking, BatMansDaughter, can I call you BMD?

I have Arthur's baptism already, but not the services record. Can you say anything about the context of this record, please? The background, as I understand it, is that he fought in WWI (in France and maybe elsewhere) with the Middlesex Regiment. I found an entry in the London Gazette that he was given a temporary commission in June 1918, at which time (roughly?) he transferred to the RAF which was just being created. I suspect that the record you found concerned the transfer of his record from the Army to the RAF.

He was also active in WWII but (again I think) in the Reserves because of his age.

If there are any more gems where you found this one I'd love to see them!

Morning Keith,

I'm not sure if it will state much more on the record that I found at The a National archives, but it maybe worth looking into? I did find his WW1 medal roll card as below, you may have this, but just incase you don't I'll send it to you.

All British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 Results
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Arthur William Parr
Name: Arthur William Parr
Regiment or Corps: Middlesex Regiment Regiment
Regimental Number: G/4556

So the RAF record should tell you these,

Full name, rank and occupation, units served with dates, career, next-of-kin, date of enlistment and discharge.

Your parents return journey in 1945,

All UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Results
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Mr Mary Hilda Farr
Name: Mr Mary Hilda Farr
Birth Date: abt 1912
Age: 33
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1945
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Buenos Aires
[Montevideo]
Ship Name: Rippingham Grange
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Rippingham Grange' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Houlder Brothers and Company Ltd
Official Number: 169564

Name: Mr William Arthur Farr
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 50
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1945
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Buenos Aires
[Montevideo]
Ship Name: Rippingham Grange
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Rippingham Grange' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Houlder Brothers and Company Ltd
Official Number: 169564

Thank you for searching these. I knew my parents went to BA but I had no record of their return sailing, this is great!

Where are you suggesting I might find the RAF records? I'm currently (slowly) ploughing through the Gazette entries to see what I can find.

Think you'll have to apply at Cranwell for the records. I'll find the address for you :-D

This is from;

raf.mod.uk


RAF

Records of Service of RAF personnel who joined after 1 April 1918 are split. Some remain in the TNA. Those with Service Numbers in the range 1-329000 who continued to serve after the end of the War and those with Service numbers higher that 329000 are retained by the RAF.

To apply for an RAF Record of Service which is not in the public domain contact:

ACOS Manning (RAF Disclosures)
Trenchard Hall
RAF Cranwell
Lincolnshire
NG34 8HB


So I think you'll need to us the above address to gain anymore info. :-)

No I'm wrong!!!! The record IS held at The National Archives. They state this,

"Ordering and viewing options
This record has not been digitised and cannot be downloaded.
Request a quotation for a copy to be digitised or printed and sent to you."

So that's the way forward and not through Cranwell as I first thought :-S

Brilliant, thank you BMD

ermmm.... not wishing to appear foolish, but exactly what record should I be asking for? Is it simply "the record of AWP "?

If you go onto their website, on the top right hand side there is a search bar containing the words, search our website. There is a small arrow on there, drop the arrow down to "search our records", click on that and then just put the name into the search bar.

It's the second one down you want, then go to the green order a copy button and click onto that. This will guide you through their process.

I've never done this before, so I had a quick look at it seems pretty easy. Good luck.

Dee :-)

Thanks Dee, done, we'll see what the estimate looks like.

You don't need to order that RAF record - you can download it for £3.36

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D8213500

These records aren't very informative, usually, though!

You're right, how odd! When I visited NA earlier today the site said the documents had not been digitised and please ask for a quotation. I've just followed your link and downloaded the files. Magic!

At first glance they are - as you say - not terribly informative but at least I now have a copy of record.

Thanks a lot annielaurie.

I just received a quote from the National Archive to digitise the RAF records - it was for £20!

I think the system of estimates they use leaves a lot to be desired, essentially you have to pay to find out what's there with no idea whether it's going to be of value or not. Grump!

My father was in the Army prior to joining the RAF in WWI, and then again in WWII. What's the best way to find his records in the army please?

On the Weston - Sherretz marriage, I've been in contact with both the Berkshire Records office and the Wokingham Register Office, both very helpful but they cannot find the record. In the case of the Register Office they charge £18 for a search as I was not able to say in which of the 30 parishes the marriage was supposed to have taken place.

I can't help feeling that Mr Sherretz is a chimera, I think it's back to the drawing board.

WW1 army records for Arthur William Parr 1895 would be on Ancestry, if they survived WW2 bombing. Unfortunately over 70% were.

There might be medal cards available. You could search via the NA site and someone with an Ancestry sub could look up the results for you. Was he the one born in Argentina? sorry - lost track of where you are at the moment!

Although I don't have any WW2 RAF records to compare with, my father-in-law did his 1948 NI with them which we ordered with his consent. To be honest, if he wasn't around to explain them, we'd have found them very difficult to interpret. It did make him 'open up' about his experiences which was an eye-opener for OH.

Thanks Detective, maybe there's a kind soul who could look for me on Ancestry?

My father was born 1895 near London, Hoxton on his birth certificate.