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Just for ref:
1881 England Census
William J. Holmes Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Sarah E. Holmes
Gender: Male Where born: Charlton, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Charlton Next Woolwich County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 2 Manorway
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Packing Case Maker
Registration District: Woolwich Sub-registration District: Charlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Piece: 740 Folio: 54 Page Number: 12
William J. Holmes 24
Sarah E. Holmes 27
Sarah E. Holmes 2
Annie M. Holmes 3
William J. Holmes
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 740; Folio: 54; Page: 12; GSU roll: 1341173.
If you have not got the marriage certificate of William and Mary, or them together in any censuses, how do you know that they married and that you have the correct family?
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Could you post the 1871 census that you have them on?
Is Sara J born 1861 the daughter of Mary born 1814?
Thank-you
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Does not look like Horsley on the census that Sylvia posted, so still looking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsley_Woodhouse
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for our information .................
is this your family in 1851, without William??
1851 Census
Name: Mary Holmes
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Wife
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Henry Woolhouse, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Charlton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration District: Lewisham
Sub-registration District: Plumstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 70
Piece: 1590
Folio: 104
Page Number: 16
Mary Holmes 37
Anna E Holmes 11 b.ca 1840, Henry Field, Derbyshire
Mary A Holmes 7 b.ca 1844, Poplar, Middlesex
Eliza Holmes 6 b.ca 1845, Poplar
Susannah Holmes 4 b.ca 1847, Woolwich, Kent
Samuel T Holmes 1 b.ca 1850, Woolwich
Note that Mary's birth place is given as Henry Woolhouse on this census, and that Ann / Anna's is Henry Field
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Two things you can do ...................
1. Buy a birth certificate for one of the children. That will tell you Mary's maiden name, and confirm where the child was born.
After you have that certificate ..................
2. See if you can find a marriage certificate for William and Mary, then buy that and you will find the names of both their fathers, if known
Use www.freebmd.org.uk
and buy the certificates only from the General Register Office for £9.25, postage included.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
This could be a possible birth for Ann E , from freebmd
Births Mar 1840 (>99%)
Holmes Ann Elizabeth Belper 19 388
??? Susanna?
Births Jun 1847 (>99%)
Holmes Susannah Greenwich 5 252
this could be William Joseph, jr
Births Dec 1856 (>99%)
Holmes William Joseph Lewisham 1d 579
It's going to cost you £9.25 for each certificate ............. but it is the ONLY way to be certain that you have the correct parents.
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Is there anyone who can help me find his father. Details are:
William Joseph Holmes born abt 1810 possibly in Derbyshire
married Mary (nee ??) abt 1838
Mary born abt 1814 Derbyshire and the census info I cant make sense of it - Herney Woodham, Derbyshire. I dont know where "Herney Woodham" is.
Going by census records they had 7 children"
Ann E born abt 1840 Derbyshire (very strange district - Herneyfield
Mary A born abt 1844 Poplar, Middlesex
Susanna born abt 1848 Charlton, Kent
William Jospeh born abt 1855 Woolwich
Sara J born abt 1861 Woolwich
Eliza born abt 1845
Samuel L born abt 1850
The census returns for 1851 and 1871shows Mary as the "head" and not "widow" and the father, her husband is not listed on them and I cant find the other returns like 1841 or 1861 to see if he is on those..
Family address is Hardens Manorway, Charlton as far back as 1851 and as far as 1911. Then I have William Joseph Holmes (his son born 1881) living with his son William Henry Reginald Holmes b 1914 until he died in 1957.
My guess is to look for a marriage in Derbyshire but I dont know what the census means by Herney Woodham Derbyshire. I cant find such a place.
Is there anyone who can point me in the right direction please?
many thanks
Julie Holmes
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