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I want to say thank you so much for everyones help.....I have not been able to get on this site to say thank you xx

In case you want it for the record, Deborah, this is probably the death of Elizabeth Cowburn's father Thomas:

Deaths Mar 1880 (>99%)
Cowburn Thomas 39 Wigan 8c 64

Sorry, Deborah, still cannot find Isaac's baptism.
Online records for Westhoughton seem to start at 1801 just too late for Isaac.

There is an online parish clerk for there on lan-opc site. Maybe be if you contact her she will be able to help. To find her, click on Westhoughton in the Parishes list and then click on the email symbol - in a square at the left of the screen.

I know that in past others have found the online parish clerks very helpful.

Good luck and come back and let us know how you get on.

One of Isaac's children was baptised in a Non-Conformist church - possibly Isaac was as well:



Isaac Cowburn in entry for William Cowburn, "England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)"

Name: William Cowburn
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Christening Date: 04 May 1829
Christening Place: Atherton, Lancashire
Father's Name: Isaac Cowburn
Mother's Name: Clarisson Cowburn

So, that brings us back to trying to find Isaac's baptism!

There are two possibles for Thomas in 1851 in Hindley but, going on his father's occuapation of bricklayer I would go with this one, especially as living next door is John Cowburn who has a neice ,Catherine Unsworth, living with him:

Isaac Cowburn 53 b Westhoughton
Clarissa Cowburn 54
Ann Cowburn 19
Thomas Cowburn 10

Thomas in 1861 - occupation same as 1871:

1861 England Census
about Thomas Cowburn
Age:20
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1841
Relation:Boarder
Where born:Hindley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish:St George
Town:Bolton le Moors

Joseph Unsworth 29
Ann Unsworth 29
Mary Ann Unsworth 3
Ellen Unsworth 1
Thomas Cowburn 20

Elizabeth with her parents in 1871:

Thomas Cowburn 31 b Hindley, brick setter
Ellen Cowburn 30
Isaac Cowburn 7
Elizabeth Cowburn 5
Ann Cowbourn Cowburn 3
John Cowburn 1
Frances Blackburn 50

Lancashire bmd site has births for all the children except Ann giving a MMN of Heyes; on Ann's record it is Hayes. This is Elizabeth's - I will let you find the others yourself:


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1865
COWBURN Elizabeth Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES

You will find Thomas and Ellen's marriage on the same site - they married in Wigan Register Office in 1863

You would need to get the marriage cert to confirm their father's names.

Elizabeth's marriage - giving her father's name:

Marriage: 9 Oct 1897 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Holcroft - 32, Collier, Bachelor, 5 Atherton Rd
Elizabeth Cowburn - (X), 32, Spinster, 99 Bridgewater St
Groom's Father: Thomas Holcroft, Deceased
Bride's Father: Thomas Cowburn, Deceased
Witness: Richard Henry Southern; Annie Gerrard
Married by Banns by: Fred. W. Johnstone, Curate
Register: Marriages 1891 - 1899, Page 201, Entry 401
Source: LDS Film 93751

Continuing from MC's posts - Thomas and Elizabeth in 1911 (same address as 1916 marriage):

1911 England Census

Name:Thomas Cowburn
Age in 1911:19
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1892
Relation to Head:Son
Birth Place:Hindley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Hindley
Street Address:3 Dog Pool Off Atherton Rd Hindley
Marital Status:Single

Occupation:Labourer In Coal Mine (below Ground)


Thomas Holcroft 45
Elizabeth Holcroft 45
Thomas Cowburn 19
Harry S Holcroft 13
John Holcroft 10
Richard Holcroft 9
Mary Ellen Holcroft 7
Clarice Holcroft

So this would be Thomas' baptism:

Baptism: 5 Jun 1892 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cowburn - [Child] of Elizabeth Cowburn
Born: 17 Sep 1891
Abode: Bridgewater St
Occupation: Pitbrow
Baptised by: C.J.Buckmaster Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1893, Page 179, Entry 1427
Source: LDS Film 93748

I think it was Thomas and Annie's marriage that was 1916:

Marriage: 22 Jan 1916 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cowburn - 24, Collier, Bachelor, 3 Dogpool Atherton Rd
Annie Moorfield - 24, Spinster, 5 Gibson's Court
Bride's Father: William Moorfield, Miner
Witness: Henry Williams; Mary Ellen Mason, (X)
Married by Banns by: C.J. Buckmaster Vicar
Register: Marriages 1916 - 1924, Page 2, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 93751

Are you familiar with Lancs OPC site? http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

EDIT: apologies, I see you mention it above.

Hello Deborah, could I just ask you to clarify your dates?

You say John Cowburn born 1919 Hindley but married 1916 Ince?

I think it was later than that :-)

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Jack Cowburn
Spouse : Norah Hallissey
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Registration District: Ince
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 168

ok will do thank you again....

John Cowburn
DOB 05/03/1919 Hindley
DOD 23/12/1974
Married Nora Hallissey in 1916 in Ince
His parents were Thomas cowburn and annie moorfield born circ 1891
his father didn't now his father it would seem so I carried on up from his mother Elizabeth cowburn dob 1866
Thank you again and have a good evening.

Deborah, I have to sign off now but will be back tomorrow. Can you give us details of your grandfather's birth and death and who he married?

potty thank you so much xxxx

thank you so much

No luck with Isaac's baptism but this looks like Clarice - and it also gives her mother's parents:

Baptism: 31 Mar 1798 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Claries Topping - 3rd daughter of John Topping & Claries (formerly Harrison)
Born: 4 Mar 1798
Abode: Hindley
Occupation: Weaver
Mother's Parents: Henry & Betty Harrison
Source: LDS Film 93745

oh really...I just paid a subscription on here.....could I please give you access to my tree.....I though I was doing well but now I think I may have made mistakes....I just had birth death certs for my granfather

Isaac and Clarice's marriage:

Marriage: 1 Sep 1823 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Isaac Cowburn - (X), Wigan Parish
Clarice Topping - (X), Wigan Parish
Witness: Samuel Hickox; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: G. Goodwill, Curate
Register: Marriages 1820 - 1824, Page 378, Entry 1138
Source: LDS film 1885691