Genealogy Chat

very hard to find them sometimes ann

and then sometimes they just dissappear altogether
oh the joys of going the family tree
take care
lorraine

thanks Lorraine - no wonder I could not find it. What awful writing - Edie?? does not look that much different to cousin Alice!

hi cynthia
thats very kind of you
thank you so very much
take care
lorraine

Lorraine, don't spend any money I may be able to help you. The certificate will be at Wigan History shop Archives and I have a friend who works there........ :-D

I will pm you. Cx :-)

hi
sorry ann
had to go find my notes as name was spelled different
edied leathaland 1848 nottingham
with
william b 1819
ann 1819
and there children
edied comes up as nephew
this is the 1851 census

take care
lorraine

can you post that 1851 census please Lorraine - I can't find it

definitely EDWIN (Leatheran/leatherland) in 1861

hi all
i am going to get marriage cert i just have tto know
thank you very much for helping
take care
lorraine

hi all
edward that we have been l;ooking at in the census married to ellen at the moment i only think its mine
i do hve a birth cert for him but the name is
edwin leatherland 1847 nottingham parents thomas leatherland and mary rogers
have got edward in the 1851 census with his aunt and uncle then again in 1861 with his father and stepmum ann [as mary died 1847]and in both of them census i am sure is name comes up as edward
but i 1861 the surname comes up as leathran
thomas is my 4time great granfather
take care
lorraine

Yes, but his age changed with each census and without his father's name it's highly unlikely to pinpoint the birth. This could be the death of the birth you posted TootyFruity:

Deaths Jun 1850 (>99%)
LEATHERLAND Edward Nottingham 15 397

Without some certificates or corroboration it's just speculation at the moment.

Lorraine, are you descended from one of their 2 children? And if so do you have any other info?

I can't find a birth registration for Edward Litherland in Nottinghamshire only this:-


Births Mar 1849 (>99%)
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LEATHERLAND Edward Nottingham 15 642

I wonder if he'd been married before. Possible for 1871

LITHERLAND, Edward Head M 23 1848
LITHERLAND, Louisa Wife F 21 1850

Piece: 3894

Folio: 66

Page: 47

Registration District: Wigan

Civil Parish: Pemberton

Municipal Borough:

Address: Clapgate Lane, Pemberton

County: Lancashire

Can't see him prior to 1881 born Nottingham though! I think you would need the marriage cert for father's name (assuming he knew it)

Is this them in 1911??

Edward Litherland
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Pemberton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 77 Poolst Lane Worsley Mesnes Wigan
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer
Registration District: Wigan
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration District: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 23075
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Litherland 64
Ellen Litherland 50
Charles Litherland 21
Elizabeth Litherland 10
David Parry 23

Ellen & children born Wigan. And this could be the christening of Charles:

Baptism: 6 Oct 1889 St James, Poolstock, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Charlie Litherland - [Child] of Edward Litherland & Ellen
Born: 31 Aug 1889
Abode: 77 Poolstock Lane
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: Henry J Wadeson Curate
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

So maybe not non-conformist just a registry office wedding? The family track back through the census to 1881 in Poolstock Lane, where they have John Marsh (53) living with them

hi reggie
i really wanted to know the grooms [edward litherland]fathers name

thank you
lorraine

The one sure thing is that the wedding was not in a CofE Church

What do you wish to know?

if it was a register office wedding the only way you will find the details is by ordering the certificate.

However 'registrar attended' could mean a marriage in an RC or a non-conformist church.

You can probably find the registers for these churches in the Lancs archives

hi thank you
take care
lorraine

Snap Jax :-D

The marriage is on LancashireBMD


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LITHERLAND Edward MARSH Ellen Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/46/40

I suspect, after visiting St Helens archive for a particular local church. you will only to find that churches records are held at Lancashire Archive in Preston :-S :-S