Genealogy Chat

Out of interest, what was the answer?

Considering the period, I'd have thought that if he was a practising Jew, he may have been 'shunned' by the community, but its unlikely that unless he was married in a Christian Church he would have had to renounce his faith.

The children born to a Jewish father and Gentile mother aren't Jewish by birthright, unless the mother converts. The Jewish bloodline follows that of the mother.

maybe i got that wrong i thought they told me he'd have to renounce his faith
but the mother Charlotte may have had to renounce her community
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.it's nice that the new middle name Miriam also has Russian overtones
i doubt if i can find out who was at the baptism .

I was told that the religion of the mother is the one that carries over .

I believe the Mendel fellman in 1891 census was erroneously listed as female + was in fact George Jacob's father; On the latvian Fellman childrens death records father's name is Leizer-Mendel Fellman,son of Leib 1880, mendel-leizer feldman1884 and leizer mendal felman in 1888 . Probably angliscised to lazurus later ...I wonder if louis could be an alternative spelling ?

re documentation of Latvian deaths of Dvora .Mottel + Gesa-Eida Fellman/Feldman
my thread is
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1345483

Anyone researching Feldman name can use this free site
http://www.feldmanfamilytree.com/getperson.php?personID=I107&tree=Feldman

Mostly Feldman emigrants to USA with a few variant spellings .

There are a few Fellman names on there too .. our family .and a Jacob Fellman b1868 Russia

Looking carefully at George Jacob's hospital admissions. He is down as 2nd of 12,2 of whom are dead . the squiggle is a 2 not a 3 which does imply that the 3rd Latvian death Gesa-Eida is his mother aged 38 not a sister aged 14 .

ps shouldn't this thread be in Find Ancestors ?

There are a load of threads which could well be placed on different boards. this has been here almost 18 months not worth worrying about now. It is the same people that look at all the boards....maybe not always General Chat, Quizzes or Hobbies though

Someone on Rootsgen suggested 2 possible Fellman's connected to manchester

Rachel Fellman death in Prestwich aged 27 in 1900 as another possible sister for George Jacob
I'm not finding her

Nathan Fellman aged 58 in 1916 he would not be a sibling + no way of knowing if he's an uncle or cousin without more details .

On transport+ migration page there are 2 Fellman's who could have been named after their father/grandfather Lazurus/Leizer-Mendel Fellman

I don't have credits to look but 1 is 18yr old Lazaris Fellman b1887
Travelling on " The Merion" in 1905 from liverpool to Philedelphia
edit# same boat has other children zachemil aged 11 , Sore B Fellman aged 16 and jacobina aged 11 .(were they without their parents ??)


the other ( more likely candidate due to age + glasgow connection )
is Leiser aged 2 b1908 left Glasgow in 1910 on "The Columbia" from Glasgow to New York
Same boat has Moishe aged 4 +Sheike age1
with Ruchel aged 25 b1885 ....would that be a version of Rachel, or a man's name ?? wonder where other parent was

FELLMAN LEISER 1908 — 1910 Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 New York, United States
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FELLMAN MOISCHE 1906 — 1910 Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 New York, United States
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FELLMAN RUCHEL 1885 — 1910 Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 New York, United States
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FELLMAN SCHEIKE 1909 — 1910 Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 New York, United States
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Thanks Jax
Does transcription purchased + image purchased mean that you purchased them ???
or is this copied from something ?

info fron Roots gen is that Ruchel was a married housekeeper ; I'm assuming a woman .
Her nearest relative was jankel Joska in the town of Basyli
I'm just about to google that before calling it a day ?
It seems to be in Poland ..does that rule Ruchel out as a possible sister in law ?

I have a subscription to Find my past...only details on the image was to say they were Russian Jews

Russian Jews could be from Poland or Latvia ....I wont rule Ruchel out yet ..she could have married her Fellman husband + had all 3 children en route to GB They were born after 1901 censuses + left GB before 1911 census. not finding marriage or births here anyway .

Ruchel + children were going to Omaha in Nebraska to be with husband Sucher Fellman

from Rootschat member ;
I would agree entirely with you, that the 40-year-old Mendel Fellman lodging with George was his father.
the records on Jewishgen and the fabulous transcriptions by Christine Usdin?
suggest that his Yiddish name was Leizer-Mendel son of Leib, but he was known as Mendel (the Yiddish form of Menachem). He and his father were recorded in the 1871 enlistment register for Jakobstadt; his father being Leib Yankel Fellman (i.e. Leib son of Yankel), b. c1824. Yankel is the Yiddish form of Jacob (Ya'acov ).

Leib the Yiddish word for lion. It was the Yiddish 'nickname' given to boys/men who had the Hebrew name Yehuda. This practice is based in the biblical Jacob likening his son Yehuda to a young lion. Many Jewish records would report the double name Yehuda-Leib.

Christine Usdin's transcriptions include the birth registrations of nine of Leizer-Mendel's children between 1879 and 1891 (including two with his second wife, Sheina) and the deaths of two of his children.

I would speculate that the Yiddish name of your George was Gershon-Yankel.


THAT GIVES US SOME MORE TO GET OUR TEETH INTO

I've found translation of the birth of Shora Fellman 1885 jakobstadt father leizer-mendel Fellman and mother Gessa-Eida
and i saw the translation for Mottels death age 2 in 1884
but I can't then open pages for other years
There is probably a quicker way than looking for Mendel Fellman refs 1 by 1 on a search engine

Nathan Fellman ( b1868 jacobstadt d Prestwich aged 58 1916)
may have been eldest son of Lazarus + Edith
I have to look for (From jewishgen data ) descendants of ;
full siblings :
Mera b 1880, Bassa. b1882 sora ( Shora ) b1885
David b 1886 m Khaya Kortin in 1911 and they had Jacob David Fellman in Riga in 1912

Lazurus's 2nd wife Sheina had Taube Fellman b1880 and khaya b 1891 in jacobstadt
Are these male or female names ?

from the print out I've seen from jewish gen
Lazurus -Mendel Fellman b1851 was son of
Leib yankel fellman b1824 Riga (age discrepency recorded as 47 on 1871 enlistment register His father's name is given as Yankel Fellman

Leib Yankel had aa son called Jankel Leibe b1842 approx driga 1904 who's 1st child was Mandel jankel b1867

confusing

We now go back 7 generations of Fellmans ; UPDATE
nana's father is IV generation ; I have found names for his 11 siblings to be confirmed eldest ??
all born in Jakobstadt ,\Kurland Russia
George jacob b1870 ,to manchester in 1891 d Bridgend /wales 1924
Rebecca b1871 d1960
Dvora b 17/05/1879 d15/051880 aged 1and half Jakobstadt
Mera b 31/121880
Bassa b 1882 b16/02/1882
Aron-mottel 1886 d1884 aged 2
Shora b30/05/85
David b6/11/1886 m Khaya Kortin 1911 Riga
had son Jacob David Fellman b april 1912 Riga (another cousin for nana)
LAzurus remarried to Sheina
they had Tauba Fellman b 3/3/1890
Khaya fellman b17 april 1891 ;

V generation ;
His mother Gessa-Ada (various spellings ,aka Edith landsman) died 20 oct 1888 her unnamed male child is listed as born30sept died at birth
father Lazurus Mendel (leizer-mendel b.Leib) Fellman b1851

VI ; Leibe Yankel Fellman b1824 ( says aged 47 on 1871 enlistment register for Jakobpils district
VII he's listed as son of Yankel Fellman
apparently first sons took father's given name as their middle name (patronym )