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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Bull
Name: George Bull
Spouse Name: Caroline Dance
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 28 Jun 1885
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Register

MarieCeleste....I am after thinking the children would be from marriage. of Wm Herb and LM Dance.....like you I couldnt find any Porter/Arch....children

Marriage....

Marriages Sep 1900 (>99%)
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Dance Laura Maud Lambeth 1d 905
Porter William Herbert Lambeth 1d 905


There is a Birth for a James reg Southwark June quarter 1901...(age on Census states 1 month)...

I think I've found Kathleen in 1911 as Kitty:

BULL, George Head Married M 67 1844 Leather Case Maker London Westminster
BULL, Caroline Wife Married 26 years F 66 1845 Wales Pembrokeshire
BULL, Amy Daughter Single F 23 1888 Shop Assistant London Southwark
BULL, Albert Son Single M 22 1889 Brass Finisher London Southwark
>>PORTER, Kitty Granddaughter F 8 1903 School London Lambeth

RG number: RG14 Piece: 1992
Reference: RG14PN1992 RG78PN70 RD25 SD2 ED18 SN180
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub District: Kennington
Enumeration District: 18
Parish: Lambeth

Address: 87 Lower Kennington Lane Lambeth S E County: London

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Amy Constance Coombs
Name: Amy Constance Coombs
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Age: 21
Spouse Name: William Herbert Porter
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1897
Parish: Peckham St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Frederick Coombs
Spouse Father Name: William Butcher Porter
Register Type: Parish Register


Witnesses Henry Wallace and Alice Porter.

William Herbert Porter a Builder married Amy Constance Coombes.

His father was William Butcher Porter a builder.

Her father was Frederick Coombes (Deceased) Cabinet Maker.

This looks like Laura Maud in 1891:

BULL, George Head Married M 46 1845 Travelling Bag Maker Westminster, London
BULL, Caroline Wife Married F 45 1846 Pembroke, Wales
DANCE, Henry S Stepson Single M 21 1870 Printer & Compositor Southwark, London
DANCE, Laura M Stepdaughter F 15 1876 Southwark, London
BULL, Amy E Daughter F 3 1888 Southwark, London
BULL, Albert S Son M 2 1889 Southwark, London
DURANT, Arthur Lodger Single M 21 1870 Stationer Bow, London

Piece: 1082 Folio: 169 Page: 43
Registration District: Edmonton
Civil Parish: Edmonton

Address: 6, Millbrook Road, Edmonton County: Middlesex

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Amy Constance Coombes
Name: Amy Constance Coombes
Spouse Name: William Herbert Porter
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 12 Dec 1897
Parish: Peckham St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

That was the third time the banns were read and they married on 25th Dec 1897

William HERBERT Porter msrried Mary C Archbold.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Mary Catherine Archbold
Name: Mary Catherine Archbold
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Age: 38
Spouse Name: William Herbert Porter =Carpenter
Spouse Age: 40
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Jun 1914
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Francis Archbold
Spouse Father Name: William Batcher Porter ,,Should read Butcher A Builder Deceased
Register Type: Parish Register

The 1901 marriage to Laura Maud isn't on the parish registers to get her family details - wonder if the children were with her parents?

EDIT: Can't find any baptisms for the children.

ANOTHER EDIT: Can't see any Porter/Archbold (also tried Arch*) births after 1911.
So - are the children referred to in the OP the issue of William Herbert and Laura Maud?

His 1914 marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: William Herbert Porter, widower of 24 St Alban's Street. A carpenter.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 40
Spouse Name: Mary Catherine Archbold, spinster of 206 Lambeth Road
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Jun 1914
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Batcher Porter (deceased) - builder
Spouse Father Name: William Francis Archbold (deceased) - merchant seaman.
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Francis George Martin? Archibold, Ellen Norman and Ellen Kirton.

(William Herbert's address matches the 1911 Reggie posted)

William Herbert's 1897 marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: William Herbert Porter - a builder
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Amy Constance Coombs
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1897
Parish: Peckham St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Butcher Porter - builder
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Coombs (deceased) - cabinet maker
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither had been married before, both gave address as Hedley Street.

Witnesses: Henry Wallace & Alice Porter

Re ;The posting (Reggie 9 May 8.38)
The Wm H A Reg. Camberwell was the son of William H (Herbert) Porter and Amy Constance Coombes.They married 1897. Her death is Reg same month as Wm H A was born June 1898.
Wm H. married again in Sept 1900 to a Laura Maud Dance (1901 Census) her death is Reg 1909.(Lambeth) probable more children from that marriage but where are they...cant see a death listed for James (1901 Census)
?? Wm H married again to Mary C Archbold June 1914 (Lambeth) cannot find any children for that marriage.

It looks possible Reggie your Census findings may be correct.

Crossed with you MarieCeleste..confirms parents Wm Herb.and Amy Constance Coombes who died (22yrs.) 1898.

Found this:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: William Henry Augustus Porter
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 - date of birth 10 May 1898
Age at enlistment: 18
Residence: 30 Warren Buildings, Brandon St Walworth
Document Year: 1916 - enlisted 30 May 1916
Regimental Number: 5354
Regiment Name: Co of London Rgt
Number of images: 14

will be back with more when summarised 14 pages....

Too much military detail - if Christopher wants the records I could send them.

When he enlisted he was a clerk and lived 30 Warren Buildings, Brandon Street, Walworth.

His next of kin was his father William Herbert Porter, 38 Cleaver Street, Kennington. This address was the one given to send any pay when he was demobbed 1919.

1911 census

Person: PORTER, William Address: 24 St Albans Street Kennington Road S E

PORTER, William Head Widower M 37 1874 Carpenter And Joiner London Bermondsey VIEW
PORTER, William Son M 12 1899 London Peckham

...........probably eliminates the 1901 posted above

Unless the dates you suggest are too early

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1901 census

Person: PORTER, William H Address: 2, Holyoake Road, Lambeth


PORTER, William H Head Married M 27 1874 Carpenter & Joiner
Bermondsey, London VIEW
PORTER, Laura M Wife Married F 24 1877
Southwark, London VIEW
PORTER, William H Son M 2 1899
Peckham, London VIEW
PORTER, James F Son M 0 (1 MOS) 1901
Newington, London VIEW Piece: 410 Folio: 132 Page: 21 Registration District: Lambeth Civil Parish: Lambeth

Death

Name: PORTER, William Henry A
Registration district: Sutton
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1973
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Date of Birth:17 May 1898
Volume no: 5E
Page no: 544

Who was his father?

'living at the time'...........which 'time' please?

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Births Jun 1898 (>99%)

PORTER William Henry A Camberwell 1d 899

The best place to start.........

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Was your mother a Porter at birth?

The five Porters I have mentioned are all siblings. I believe that they were probably born in Lambeth or Portsmouth as that's where the family seemd to be living at the time and afterwards. My mother was the daughter of their half brother William Henry Augustus Porter. (great name!)