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Yes I have come across Emma but have not completely tied her in.
Became very confusing when I was searching for John who was Israel.
Now need to lay it all out and stand back and look.
I am lucky to have among all this confirmed a photo that I have is John ( Israel )and Mary Webster.
Was then through a connection sent a photo of his brother James Freestone and family

Do you have this?

Emma Powers
Spouse Name: John Freestone
Marriage Date: 21 May 1851
Marriage Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania
Registration Year: 1851
Registration number: 817

Looks like he married a fellow convict. Emma was deported in 1843 along with what is likely to be her mother Elizabeth. Both tried together for larceny, both with previous convictions.

Seemed a harsh sentence, but he had a previous offence, was given 3 months for larceny:

John Freestone
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Date of Trial: 2 Jan 1844
Trial Year: 1844
Location of Trial: Wiltshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

Have found my Israel Freestone born 1835 in Westbury to a
John Freestone born1796 and Mary Huttley born 1801
They married 1820 Mary died 1843
Seems like something went wrong and
John Freestone born 1796 was sentenced to 10 years and transportation to Van Dieman's Land in 1845 for stealing potatoes, a shovel and a bucket.

I have assumed that Israel followed his father to Tasmania

1841 Scotland Census
about Helen Gloag
Name: Helen Gloag
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Saxe Coburg Place
Occupation: F S
Parish Number: 685/2
Household Members: Name Age
James Cumming 40
Margaret Cumming 45
Mary Cumming 25
James Cumming 20
Fredrick Cumming 15
Jane Cumming 15
Jessie Cumming 15
Margaret Cumming 13
Alexander Cumming 11
Mary Cumming 7
William Cumming 4
Thomas Cumming 15
John Murdock 13
George Whiteman 13
Alexander Clerk 12
John Carnegie 11
Janet Macdonald 20
Helen Gloag 15 FS (Farm Servant ?)

Wow thanks for the assistance.
Some I already had - some I did not.
Yes I did make a mistake on the dates which I have now corrected.
I am intersted in the one cenus that Reggie found.

Household GLOAG, Helen 1826 15 F St Cuthbert's Midlothian VIEW

I will seek to find more out about this Helen ( Ellen )

1851 census


Last name: Gloag First name(s): ellen Searching within: Households,

Household GLOAG, Ellen 1831 20 F Edinburgh Midlothian VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Ellen Elizabeth 1844 7 F St Faiths Norfolk VIEW VIEW
Household GLOAG, Helen 1838 13 F Edinburgh Midlothian VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Helen 1830 21 F Blackford Perthshire VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Helen 1821 30 F Muthill Perthshire VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Helen 1821 30 F Muthill Perthshire VIEW

1841 census


Last name: Gloag First name(s): ellen Searching within: Households,

Household GLOAG, Helen 1841 0 F Edinburgh Midlothian VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Helen 1826 15 F St Cuthbert's Midlothian VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Helen 1822 19 F Blackford Perthshire VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Helen 1830 11 F Dunning Perthshire VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Helen 1821 20 F Muthill Perthshire VIEW
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Household GLOAG, Helen Bell 1816 25 F Edinburgh Midlothian VIEW

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1320961

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=132701

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=123386

(not sure of above, from google)

Chris :)

The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston, Tas. : 1835 - 1880) Saturday 3 January 1857

There's a full list of passengers arriving on the "Alice Walton" from Liverpool and one of them is an Israel Freestone.

Nothing corresponding on the shipping lists on ancestry but there is this:

Tasmania, Australia, Passenger Arrivals, 1829-1957

Name: Isaac Freestone
Arrival Port: Launceston
Arrival Date: 30 Dec 1856
Departure Port: Liverpool
Departure Date: 30 Sep 1856
Ship: Alice Walton
Gender: Male
Place of Origin: Devonshire
Birth Year: abt 1835

He was aged 21 and an agricultural labourer. He was sent out on the application of Jno Freestone (but this was amended to John Thomson).

Perhaps a relative?

I think maybe Cook means they emigrated in the 1850/60's rather than were born then? Otherwise the dates don't match at all (especially with a surname like Gloag).
There's another Mr. Freestone on the ship 'Castle Eden' arriving in 1851.

His arrival in Tas possibles:

Name: Mr Freestone
Arrival Port: Hobart
Arrival Date: 9 Dec 1855
Departure Port: Sydney
Departure Date: 6 Dec 1855
Ship: Tasmania

Name: Mr Freestone
Arrival Port: Hobart
Arrival Date: 19 Jan 1882
Departure Port: Sydney
Departure Date: 16 Jan 1882
Ship: Southern Cross

Launceston Examiner Tuesday 19 December 1882

Deaths
FREESTONE. At her residence, Prospect Villlage, Ellen, the beloved wife of Israel Freestone, aged 56 years.

Funeral Notices.
The funeral of the late Mrs. ISRAEL FREESTONE will leave her late residence, Prospect Village,on Wednesday, at two o'clock, arriving at Prospect Burial Ground at half-past two.

(from Trove http://trove.nla.gov.au)

Ages don't tie up with the info from Cook - this Ellen was 56 in 1882 so born around 1826, surely she wouldn't have been that much older than her husband. Dates need to be revisited.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38278825?

(her Death?)

Chris :)

(google bringing up items)

This is the possible marriage of the Israel that Jonesey refers to:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Israel Freestone - labourer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Alice Mateldge Walter (middle name Matilda?)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Jun 1881
Parish: South Lambeth St Barnabas
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Freestone - labourer
Spouse Father Name: James Phillip Walter - labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither had been married before and address for both given as 16 Spring Place

Witnesses: James Walter? and Jenny? Stanford
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And a possible baptism:

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906

Name: Israel Freestone
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1861
Christening Date: 14 Jan 1864
Christening Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Age at Christening: 3
Father's Name: John Freestone
Mother's name: Sarah

Some dates for the marriages and perhaps his father's name from the marriage certificates might have helped.

There was only one Israel Freestone recorded in the 1861 census of England. He was born in 1860 but cannot be the person you seek as that Israel Freestone died in Lambeth, London in 1897.

There was this one recorded in 1851 but his birth date does not tally with what you believe.

1851:
Name: Israel Freeston
[Israel Freestone]
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Westbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Westbury
Sub-registration district: Bradley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3l
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Piece: 1842
Folio: 436
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
William Freeston 27
Louisa Freeston 28
Maria Freeston 1
Israel Freeston 16
Elizabeth Dolman 25
Sophia Dolman 5

Here he is in 1841:
Name: Isreal Finstone
[Isreal Freestone]
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Westbury
Hundred: Westbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Westbury
Sub-registration district: Westbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1188
Book: 4
Folio: 74
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John Finstone 45
Maud Finstone 40
Wm Finstone 19
John Finstone 15
Janna Finstone 12
Isreal Finstone 10

As he does not appear again in 1861 could this be your man?

Are you sure about the birth date?
I have found a Helen Gloag arriving in Launceston in 1856 and it's a pretty unusual name.

I am looking for Israel Freestone born around 1850/60 who went to tasmania Australia and married Ellen Gloag and they had a daughter Hannah.
Hannah married Stephen Monaghan and had two sons

Israel remarried to a Mary Webster after Ellen died and changed his name to John Freestone