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There were 4 Walker Diggles pre-WW1: our Walker, a son & grandson of his cousin Edmund, and an unrelated guy - son of Mr Diggle Walker and his wife, the former Miss Walker.
The 1910 death is Edmund's son.
In spite of having such a distinctive name to search for, it's tricky as it's often mistranscribed (this is from someone with Hesmondhalgh and Thirlaway in their tree).
Here's the census refs for Walker:
1911 RG14PN23336 RG78PN1362 RD461 SD4 ED9 SN122
1901 RG13 Piece Number:3609 Folio:39 Page:1
1891 RG12 Piece Number:3105 Folio:13 Page:19
1881 RG11; Piece: 3542; Folio: 20; Page: 34
1871 RG10 Piece Number:3958 Folio:90 Page:33
1861 RG9 Piece Number:2851 Folio:48 Page:24
1851 HO107 Piece Number:2213 Folio:33 Page:16

Piece: RG9/2851 Place: North Bury -Lancashire Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: Bury Ecclesiastical Parish: St Paul
Folio: 48 Page: 24 Schedule: 127
Address: 39 Greenhalgh Row
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
DIGGLE Sarah Head U F 41 Cotton Weaver Lancashire - Birtle
DIGGLE Robert Brothr U M 47 Miner Or Collier Lancashire - Birtle
DIGGLE Walker Son U M 17 Mechanic (Iron) Lancashire - Birtle
DIGGLE Edmund Nephew U M 15 Spindle And Fly Maker Lancashire - Birtle
DIGGLE James Son U M 31 Cotton Drawer-In Lancashire - Birtle
[I read James's age as 11]

name: Walker Diggle
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 28
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Birtle, Lancashire
record type: Household
registration district: Bury
sub-district: Bury, North
event parish: Bury
county: Lancashire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Robert Diggle M 56 Birtle, Lancashire [U Collier out of employment]
sister Sarah Diggle F 50 Birtle, Lancashire [U Cotton Opr]
son Walker Diggle M 28 Birtle, Lancashire [W Mechanic Machine]
son James Diggle M 21 Birtle, Lancashire [U Cotton Opr]
son Edmund Diggle M 5 Birtle, Lancashire [Scholar]
Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1871," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZPZ-X85 : accessed 24 Jan 2013), Walker Diggle in entry for Robert Diggle, 1871.
[Edmund is actually Sarah's grandson, and often known as Edward - the name on his b.cert; s/o Walker + Louisa Rostron]


I gave Walker 1881 earlier - here's Edmund (grandson Walker is Wm's kid)
1881 England Census
County/Island: Lancashire
Street Address: 5 Kay St
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: North Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3866; Folio: 20; Page: 36; GSU roll: 1341924.

Edmund Diggle 35 Bury, Lancashire, England Head M Flyer Maker (Sfn)
Hannah Diggle 35 Belper, Derbyshire, England Wife M
Louisa Diggle 13 Belper, Derbyshire, England Daughter Weaver Cotton
William Diggle 10 Bury, Lancashire, England Son Doffer Cotton
Walker Diggle 8 Bury, Lancashire, England Son Scholar
Martha Diggle 5 Bury, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar
Robt. Diggle Bury, Lancashire, England Son Scholar


Piece: RG9/2851 Place: North Bury -Lancashire Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: Bury Ecclesiastical Parish: St Paul
Folio: 44 Page: 16 Schedule: 76
Address: 33 Pump Street
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SMITH Joseph Head M M 29 Cotton Weaver Lancashire - Bury
SMITH Eliza Wife M F 34 Lancashire - Bury
ROSTRON Louisa Dau U F 15 Cotton Weaver Lancashire - Bury
SMITH Charles Son - M 6 Scholar Lancashire - Bury
SMITH Mary Elizth. Dau - F 2 Lancashire - Bury
ROSTRON Elizabeth Ma-Law W F 74 Lancashire - Radcliffe
ROSTRON Emma Lodger U F 28 Cotton Weaver Lancashire - Bury age suspect
[I don't know where either 1861 addy is, but they're both done by the same enumerator]


http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROSTRON Eliza SMITH Joseph Bury Register Office or Registrar Attended Bury RM/5/97

I wonder about this 1911 Wales Census:


Name: John Buchanan
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Wrexham Regis
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 4 McDermotts Court York St Wrexham
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Estimated Marriage Year: 1902
Occupation: Pedlar
Registration district: Wrexham
Registration District Number: 621
Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household schedule number: 15
Piece: 34065
Household Members:
Name Age
John Buchanan 35
Rose Buchanan 28
Thomas Edwen Buchanan 6
Sarah Jane Buchanan 4

Can't find a marriage for John & Rose nor children's births under the name Buchanan. Don't know why birthplaces aren't showing in the transcript. The image shows John & Rose born Whitchurch Salop and the children born Chester.


Julie

Thank you very much,, now to set pen to paper & try to figure out the diggle's from the Mann's & now STALKER Yikes :-) not quite sure how to start but im so happy they're all coming together in this family jigsaw ....
The above Robert Buchanan my dad says he was named after so thats a cert. Trip to Manchester is in order I believe. ?. Thanks again, still the illusive remains :-(

Hi

Have found Annie Diggle with father Walker mistranscribed ( on Ancestry) as Mann in 1901 (the transcriber used the surname of the family above them.)

1901 England Census about Walker Mann
Name: Walker Mann
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Mann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Horwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Horwich
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Horwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 3609
Folio: 39
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Walker Mann 57
Annie Mann 56
Annie Mann 24
Eliza Mann 14
Polly Mann 12
Ethel McConnell 15

There is a family of Buchanans on the same page. John isn't with them in any census as far as I can see and of course he gives his father's name as Samuel on marriage, not William, but it seems rather a coincidence. I would imagine they are related somehow.

Name: William Buchaman
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Buchaman
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Horwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Horwich
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Horwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 3609
Folio: 39
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Buchaman 58
Mary Buchaman 56
Joseph Buchaman 30
Mary Buchaman 26
Martha Buchaman 23
Thomas Buchaman 21
William Buchaman 19
Robert Buchaman 14


Julie


P.S in 1911 Annie's father is transcribed as Stalker Diggle!

connected????

Burial: 5 Oct 1910 St Paul, Astley Bridge, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Walker Diggle -
Age: 36
Abode: 33 Greenwood Vale
Buried by: J.Lund
Register: Burials 1909 - 1922, Page 13, Entry 103
Source: LDS Film 2148108

Just guessing at these, really.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BUCHANAN Eleanor Rose Ardwick Manchester ARD/371/24

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DIGGLE Annie Crewe Cheshire Central CR/54/061

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DIGGLE Robert Edward Crewe Cheshire Central CR/58/021

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DIGGLE Arthur A Crewe Cheshire Central CR/65/053

1881 England Census
Civil parish: Monks Coppenhall
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Sheppard St
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3542; Folio: 20; Page: 34; GSU roll: 1341848.

Walker Diggle 36 Bury, Lancashire, England Head M Engine Fitter
Rachel Diggle 36 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife M
Jesse E. Sutton 13 Glasgow, Scotland Step Daughter Scholar
Edwina Sutton 11 Glasgow, Scotland Step Daughter Scholar
Margaret Sutton 7 Glasgow, Scotland Step Daughter Scholar Scholar
Annie Diggle 4 Crewe, Cheshire, England Daughter Scholar Scholar
Robert E. Diggle 3 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son
Catherine Diggle [7m] Crewe, Cheshire, England Daughter

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DIGGLE Walker Birtle Bury DIGGLE BIR/2/89


1871 Scotland Census Transcription
Street:DUKE STREET
Parish:GLASGOW
Civil Parish:GLASGOW Inner High
County:Lanarkshire
Country:SCOTLAND
Registration District:644 - HIGH CHURCH
Enumeration District:11

ROBERT SUTTON 1837 34 England Head M ENPORTER TO CALICO PRINTERS
RACHAEL H SUTTON 1845 26 England Wife M
JESSIE E SUTTON 1868 3 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
EDWINNA M SUTTON 1870 1 Glasgow, Lanarkshire

A very Happy New Year to all and happy hunting Julie....good luck :-D

Linda x

Thanks Linda,
Very much appreciated, Samuel has came up before, I'm sending for the marriage certificate after the New year. I do believe they are all the same family group. Amazing but from only a couple of days ago, we knew barely nothing. Now I've even seen the church my great grandparents were married in, wonderful. I've found information that maybe John Buchanan could have gone to Canada , find out soon, as I saw it on a passenger log . Anyway Happy new year to you & everyone else on here :-)
Julie x

This is just a very long shot juju...1881 census...

Name: John Buchanan
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel Buchanan
Mother's Name: Susannah Buchanan
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitchurch, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Whitchurch
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address: Folly Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Whitchurch
Sub-registration district: Whitchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2670
Folio: 76
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Buchanan 43 >>>born Ireland farm lab
Susannah Buchanan 33 >>>born Ireland
James Buchanan 14
Samuel Buchanan 12
Martha Buchanan 10
Mary Ann Buchanan 8
John Buchanan 6
Robert Buchanan 2

Whitchurch is only about 12/15 miles as the crow flies from Crewe. John's marriage cert could possibly confirm...possible siblings being witnesses at the marriage??

1871 census states that Samuel and Susannah came from Mayo, Ireland.

Doesn't help with John in later years though :-(

Linda

Yes I've wondered that too Buchanan is such a Scots name, really couldn't have been too many generation's back.? I still don't know what became of him, I'd love to tell my dad.

not that it seems to help too much at finding his birth. I wonder if he was actually born in Scotland with a name like Buchanan

Omg!!!! I've just sat staring at the screen! Thank you so very much that's All incredible I'm teary eyed . Wonderful lancashire Ann x
:-D

name: John Buchanan
event: Marriage
event date: 09 Nov 1902
event place: , Coppenhall, Cheshire, England
gender: Male
age: 27y
marital status:
father: Samuel Buchanan
mother:
spouse: Annie Diggle
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father: Walker Diggle
spouse's mother:
film number: 2093673
digital folder number: 004018880
image number: 00538

Hi MarieCeleste,
On my grains birth certificate it shows his occupation as laborer at iron works...
Thanks

juju - what was John Buchanan's occupation on your gran's birth cert?

Thank you all so much, people on here are Amazing!
All of you are right, I have my grandmothers birth certificate but I couldn't work her maiden name which is indeed Diggle :-D
John Buchanan seems to have vanished shortly around my grandma's birth, sadly the subject became Taboo when my dad was a child.??
:-\ I have no clue whatever became of him..........

You'll need to purchase the marriage cert...........without it, you have no way of knowing when he was born

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BUCHANAN Eleanor Rose Ardwick Manchester ARD/371/24

Where have you looked in trying to find BMD info?


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about John Buchanan
Name: John Buchanan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1902
Registration district: Nantwich
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 611 (click to see others on page)

Annie Diggle