Genealogy Chat

Hi LadyKiri, I'm so grateful for all the information you have given me and all the advice and tips to carry on with my research. You must have spent a lot of time on this but it has been and will continue to be, most helpful. I will keep you updated as to my findings.
Many thanks
Patricia

ok sorry if I am not clear.

Mel posted a possible marriage to Patience Hamon Rogers.
I cannot find any other possible records for her or other Hamon Rogers, It does not mean they are not there. It means I have not found them
Marie has but I has not posted them. I did spot a Hammond Rogers though,

The next thing to remember is that education was not so good and people spelt things as they heard them. The bride getting married would not know if her name was wrong if she could not read it. Accents would also be a problem. You then have the problem of of people transcribing records and not being able to read it. Some of the records are very faint and some are damaged and only partly legible. just say Hamon and Hayman and see if you can tell the difference.

As I mentioned someone on Ancestry has this family and they have recorded her as being London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about Patrence Hayman
Name: Patrence Hayman
[Patience Hayman]
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1800
Parish: St Anne, Limehouse
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Parent(s): James Hayman, -ropemaker
Susanna Hayman
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

I do not know why they have done this. If you join can contact them to ask them.

A suggested explanation of this would be if she was born Patience Hamon and married a Rogers whose fate we do not know before marrying Thomas Taylor. However I have not found proof of this.

For me the next step would be to continue mapping out the descendants of Thomas and Patience and seeing if there are any other occurences of the name within the family. I would find census baptisms and mariages and deaths and compare addresses. Take it a little at a time and record it all and your sources. Look at other trees but do not take your research from them as they could be wrong.

Thanks so much for all the information LadyKira. It's a lot to digest and I can see I will need to prescribe to ancestry as it looks like they have far more info than this site.
In one of your posts you say that Patience' marriage to Thomas may have been her second marriage but I'm not following you there. Also could the baptism for her really be her, as it cites her name as being "Hayman" and not Hamon. Could be a spelling mistake? But where did the name of Rogers come from.
A post from Mare Celeste says that there is a whole family of Hamon Rogers but can't find anything on here to suggest that. Thanks for all your help

Thomas and Jane in 1851.
The children are the same but parents now say they are from Ireland?

1851 52, Rosemary Lane, Saint Mary Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets
TAYLOR, Thomas Head Married M 64 1787 Dock Lab
Ireland
TAYLOR, Jane Wife F 53 1798
Ireland
TAYLOR, Richard Son Unmarried M 30 1821 Dock Lab
Whitechapel, Middlesex
TAYLOR, Robert Son M 20 1831 Dock Lab
Whitechapel, Middlesex
, Ann Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar
Whitechapel, Middlesex

I have also just noticed both Thomas and Patience and Thomas and Jane have sons Robert born 1829 so above Robert could belong to either set.

This could be your Robert.
Compare the address on the burial of Patience

1861 Address: 5, Collingwood Street, Bethnal Green
TAYLOR, Robert Head Married M 31 1830 Labourer
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
TAYLOR, Matilda Wife Married F 34 1827
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
TAYLOR, Robert J Son Unmarried M 3 1858 Scholar
Bethnal Green, Middlesex

If the above is his baptism this could be his parents and siblings. The parish is the same.

1841 England Census about Thomas Taylor
Name: Thomas Taylor
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Whitechapel
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Whitechapel
Sub-registration District: Aldgate
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 716
Book: 13
Folio: 8
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Taylor 50
Jane Taylor 45
Richard Taylor 20
Jane Taylor 15
Robert Taylor 12

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about Thomas James Taylor
Name: Thomas James Taylor
Baptism Date: 17 Aug 1800
Parish: St Mary, Whitechapel
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Parent(s): Thomas,
Jane
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

The findmypast 1841 census explains the variation in address

1841 Address: Princes Street John's Court, St Mary Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets
TAYLOR, Thomas M 40 1801 Middlesex
TAYLOR, Patience F 40 1801 Middlesex
TAYLOR, John M 14 1827 Middlesex
TAYLOR, Robt M 12 1829 Middlesex
TAYLOR, Jane F 10 1831 Middlesex
TAYLOR, Edwd M 7 1834 Middlesex
TAYLOR, Jacob M 4 1837 Middlesex
TAYLOR, James M 2 1839 Middlesex

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Edward Taylor
Name: Edward Taylor
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Aug 1845
born 27 March 1834
Father's Name: Thomas Taylor
Mother's Name: Patience Taylor
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode Johns Place maybe 8

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Jane Taylor
Name: Jane Taylor
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 May 1848
Father's Name: Thomas Taylor - a labourer
Mother's Name: Patience Taylor
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
born Sept 21 1831
Abode Princes Street

Interesting as this family seem to baptise their children at an older age.

This looks like the baptism of their oldest known son

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Robert Taylor
Name: Robert Taylor
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Jun 1837
Birth 6 July 1829
Father's Name: Thomas Taylor -a labourer
Mother's Name: Patience Taylor
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode looks like John's Place

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any info with regards to Patience Harmon Rogers on this site. I'm interested in her name as it is unusual and wondering if it is a double barrelled name which I think would have been unusual for this time. With regards to where she was buried it's rather strange as when a child I lived just a stones throw away from Victoria Park. I'm sure the cemetery isn't there now.
Maria thanks for your post. Are you saying that the marriage of Thomas and Patience may not be pertaining to my ancestors or just that it's an unusual name to research. Thanks. Any more info would be gratefully received as I have hit a brick wall.

The marriage I pointed out was what someone else has recorded on their tree.
I have not seen evidence either way as to the accuracy.
The Patricia Hamon Rogers banns was the only one I found of that name.
Could you post any you found MC please?

Thanks LadyKira. I'm not sure how to research there marriage as I believe it would have taken place before the records began. Any ideas please.

Hi Patricia, I think it was the other way around - born Patience Hayman, married a Taylor and died as Patience Taylor.

Personally, I think that Patience Hamon Rogers marriage to Thomas James Taylor that Mel posted needs investigating further. There seems to be a whole family called Hamon Rogers.

Is that her LadyKira?
How to Patience Taylor become Patience Hayman. Sorry but I'm not following.
Thanks :-(

A tree on Ancestry cites this babtism. It is possible that her marriage to Thomas was a second marriage.
London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about Patrence Hayman
Name: Patrence Hayman
[Patience Hayman]
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1800
Parish: St Anne, Limehouse
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Parent(s): James Hayman, -ropemaker
Susanna Hayman
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

Address on above is Collingwood street bethnal Green

England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 about Patience Taylor
Name: Patience Taylor
Birth Date: abt 1796
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1876
Death Age: 80
Burial Date: 24 Jan 1876
Burial Place: Hackney, Middlesex, England
Piece Title: Piece 51: Hackney, Victoria Park Cemetery: Burials. Vol 10 Indexed, 1876