Genealogy Chat

Hi Sylvia .This is a possibility which is why I was wondering if there would be any records kept somewhere to try and find out.Obviously difficult with no papers or documents to work with.You would think there would have to be something in writing somewhere in case the allowance was not forthcoming.But then again you would think allowance would stop when an illigitimate child reached a certain age
Brian

There is one other possibility, which you might not like!!


His birth father might not have been the man married to his mother.


It was not uncommon for wealthy men to get servants pregnant .................... and the more thoughtful ones would then provide some money for the girl, who would of course have been turned out by the mistress of the house when her pregnancy was discovered.


I'm wondering if the money he got was actually "support money" from the birth father, which was continued to his wife after his death. Or income from a trust fund of some sort set up by the "birth father"





sylvia

Hi Marie It appears that niether records is not about my grandfather he was born 1886 in Sunderland
Spoke to mam to-night ,Walter (her fatherin-law)was naturally left handed and had no injuries that she new of. She could not remember which army regiment if any he served with.she also threw a spanner in the works by saying as he worked in shipbuilding he may have been exempt from call up

Sylvia - was this the record?

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Walter Drummond
Regimental Number: 11527
Regiment Name: M/24
Number of images: 19

It mentions a fracture of the radius and ulna which left the fingers contracted and other problems with the hand. Appears the injury happened in 1916. The chap on this record was born 1893. (It says 19 pages but there are actually only 2 as someone else's record has been mixed in).

Found another service record but that one was born Glasgow.

Makem
I found the writing very difficult to read. I will have another look and will let you know if I can manage to work out anything else from it.

Sylvia

Thanks for looking Sylvia .As far as I know he had no hand injuries will check with cousins.Did it say which hand as my mam said he was one of a few left handed riviters which makes me think did he have a problem with his right hand or was he just left handed
Brian

Quite a few with that name on army records on Ancestry.
One Walter Drummond was discharged in 1919 with injuries to hand, fingers and thumb, as far as I could make out. I found it difficult to read. His pension said 2/- 6/12 . Maybe someone else could take a look.
Sylvia

Walter Drummond b-Sunderland-1886 died Sunderland-1941

Well, if you want to give his name and details could always take a look and see if his was one of the surviving army pension records .....

That could be another possibility as he would have been around 30 at the start of WW1 over 50 for WW2

Was he ever in the forces? Could he have had a pension from there? My grandfather came out of the army in 1913 and had a pension of 13 old pence per day which was paid quarterly. His son (my 97 year old uncle) remembers that they always lived well for a few weeks after the pension was paid.

Kath. x

His death was not work related, As for the suggestions above I agree any could have been the source.Because there were no wills left no-one including my cousins know where the money came from but we have all heard the story about the yearly clothing rig-outs. As most of our parents have now passed away we cant quiz them and the 2 senior family members still living can not shed any further light on the subject but just seem to add to the mystery of where it came from by saying no-one would say when they asked." Mystery & Imagination"

It may be a Trades Union or Guild allowance. Trade Guilds paid for a relative of mine's wife's funeral shortly after he had joined the Weavers Guild back in the early 1900's.

EDIT: I found out about this while reading Guild records in the local library where my relative lived. Found his apprecnticeship record and the deatils of the funeral payment.

Insurance is the most obvious answer.

But as to its source, I would doubt very much that you could find out.

Is there a specific reason for wishing to know?

its could have been an assurance policy , or possiblity may have been shares held in trust or a small trust fund, to find out you need to find some paperwork to trace were the money come from

If he died before retiring, what was the cause of death? Was it work related?

He was a rivitor in shipyard 1900-1941 with no works or private pension died before retiring.his father died before 1900 and his mother had no excess income

It may have been a pension to do with his job , Have you found what his occupation was ?

According to family my grandfather received a yearly allowance with which he used to rig out all the family with new clothing, after his death my grandmother received half of the allowance but after her death the allowance stopped and did not carry on to any of their children. Is there any way I can find out where the allowance came from