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Could this be his death - if Peate was the name he was born with and Dewhirst was his stepfather's name he may have decided to just use Peate in later life (actually his father may have been James Dewhirst as Harry was given his surname as a middle name but I doubt that his father is named on the birth certificate):-


Name: PEATE, Harry
Registration district: Bradford
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1956
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 66
Volume no: 2B
Page no: 275

Kath. x

So probably no father named on the marriage cert either

Witnesses to the marriage might be useful

I think James Dewhirst may have been named as his father on the marriage certificate as James seems to have married Annie when Harry was only about 2 years old so would think of James as his father (which he probably was but not married at the time to Annie).

I wish Diana would come back to the thread with some answers.

Kath. x

Agree Kath

GlitterBaby, Is correct. The marriage cert for Harry to confirm fathers details and the birth cert for the Harry in question would be the only way to progress,

The PM from diana to GlitterBaby,

The Harry D Peate in the census is Harry Douglas Peate not Harry Dewhirst Peate, and I am doubtful that the death of Harry D Peate is the Harry I am looking for.

This is pure speculation and need to be backed up with documentary evidence, As GlitterBaby has asked for.

total waste of time and resources until Diana comes back with Known Facts rather than speculation

Roy

Births Dec 1893

Peat Harry Douglas Wharfedale 9a 119

Roy

Have sent a pm to Diana asking her to return to the thread.

Kath. x

PEATE, HARRY DOUGLAS
Rank:Private
Service No:32046
Date of Death:27/10/1918
Age:25
Regiment/Service:Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
10th Bn.
Grave ReferencePlot 5. Row C. Grave 12.
CemeteryTEZZE BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Noah and Eva Peate, of Yeadon, nr. Leeds, Yorks


would indicate the 1944 death posted on page one would be more likely

Deaths Dec 1944

Peate Harry D 53 Sheffield 9c 563


Roy

Info on a death cert is only as good as the informants knowledge of the deceased in question

Roy

You are right Roy

If Harry Douglas Peate died in Italy then the Harry D. Peate death in 1944 in Sheffield is more than likely Harry Dewhirst Peate.

Perhaps Diana doesn't have any of these certificates.

Kath. x

Kath, As GlitterBaby did ask for details from certs and then received a reply via pm that never included any such details i would assume you are correct,

Diana, Without Factual/documentry evidance then all other research is speculation

Roy

Diana has opened my message asking her to return to this thread but she hasn't replied to it or returned here.

Kath. x

Thank you all for your time. I am currently waiting for the birth certificate. I know you are finding it frustrating but I am new to my research and am being guided by your advice. Also I have to work and do not have access to a computer whilst there, as I work in the community. I have been trying to get my head around the information that you have already, so kindly giiven.
I can tell you that Harry and Elizabeth lived at 37 Swallow Street Sheffield in October 1917. Harry was an Engineers Fitter.
Harry was certainly Harry Dewhirst Peate and not the Harry Douglas Peate - I have confirmation of that fact from a member of Harry Douglas Peate's family.Regards Diana

Thanks for coming back Diana. Hope you are not put off by us pushing for information but people on Genes tend to answer queries quite quickly and it is easier if we can get answers quickly whilst we are checking the records.

Come back when you have the birth certificate and let us know what information it gives.

I would be prepared to bet that his mother is Ann/Annie and that there is no father named on the certificate. Lots of illegitimate children were given their father's surname as a middle name in those days and in this case Annie Peate went on to marry James Dewhirst so it would all seem to fit.

Kath. x

Diana,

The helpers ask questions so we can provide the best possible information that we can find to help with requests. But with any details found by the helpers the certificates are needed to confirm.

So the 1911 census for Harry Dewhirst does have the same occupation as the marriage cert so that is looking promising.

Still would like to know if any father named on the cert and the name of witnesses.

Look forward to getting the details from the birth cert when you get it.

GB

Right, now have birth certificate for Harry. 18th September 1891, 4 Coventry Street, Halifax. Harry Dewhirst, boy. Father unknown Mother Annie Peate, Domestic Servant. Informant of birth - Annie Peate, 4 Coventry Street Halifax. So it looks like Harry may have added his mothers maiden name to his name in later life at some point - certainly by the time he married Elizabeth? Diana

From that it looks like his mother gave him his fathers surname as a "middle name", as Kath suggested above 23 Jul 2012 10:43

He never added his mothers maiden name at a later date,

He was registered as Peate (his unmarried mothers surname name) at the time of registration

A child's surname was not entered on a birth cert, the surname was an inferred name usualy taken from the father,

For illegitimate children (no father named ) it would be taken from the mothers surname

see http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm

Roy

Goodness, it seems so complicated at times but I am sure as I get used to researching things will seem a bit clearer - I hope. Looks like James and Annie jumped the gun on the 1891 Census as they are living at 4 Coventry Street, Halifax as husband and wife with a daughter, Alice aged 1. James was older than Annie so perhaps James may have already been married? Diana

Goodness, it seems so complicated at times but I am sure as I get used to researching things will seem a bit clearer - I hope. Looks like James and Annie jumped the gun on the 1891 Census as they are living at 4 Coventry Street, Halifax as husband and wife with a daughter, Alice aged 1. James was older than Annie so perhaps James may have already been married? Diana

Look back at the 1893 marriage details posted and James married as a widower.

So back to the original question of who is named as his father on his marriage cert ?