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My aunt, Margaret Mildred Ellis( or Ettie) Grey Upshall was born Jan/Mar1894 at Castle Ward, Northumberland, father Henry James Upshall b. 1868 in Hazelbury Bryan, Dorset. She married Robert Coleby,a soldier on active service, aged 28, on Dec 10th at Christ Church, Lancaster Gate . His father is named as Henry Coleby. Both fathers gave their profession as "Farmer"---I know this can mean agricultural labourer!
I only knew them as Margey and Bob.
My mother used to tell me that Margey had worked as nursemaid/nanny in an aristocratic family and that her former employer used to send her parcels of beautiful hand-me -down children's clothes for her two daughters, Joan and Audrey, born only 10 months apart.
I've looked in the censuses for 1891.1901 and 1911,but can't find her and feel quite frustrated. Am I barking up wrong trees? Any help would be much appreciated,
Alison

She wont be on the 1891 as not born till 1894 but here they are on the 1901

1901 census transcription details for: Heddon West Farm (Cottage), West Heddon


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4820
Folio: 70
Page: 1
Reg. District: Castle Ward
Sub District: Stamfordham
Parish: West Heddon
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Heddon on the Wall
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Heddon West Farm (Cottage), West Heddon
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
UPSHALL, Henry J Head Married M 36 1865 Cheese Maker
Haselbury Bryan Sturminster, Dorsetshire
UPSHALL, Henrietta Wife Married F 37 1864
Havyatt M Glastonbury, Somersetshire
UPSHALL, Ellis F Son M 2 1899
Heddon West Farm, Northumberland
UPSHALL, Margaret M Daughter F 7 1894
Heddon West Farm, Northumberland
TYSSEL, Elizabeth A Mother-In-Law Widow F 66 1835
Woodland, Somersetshire

When did the marriage take place please? Might just be me but I can't spot it.J

Ignore me. I found it inputting his details instead.

1911 she isn't at home so most probably in service


1911 census transcription details for: Lodge Cottages Poulshot Devizes

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN11925 RG78PN662 RD246 SD1 ED9 SN27
Reg. District: Devizes
Sub District: Devizes
Parish: Poulshot
Enum. District: 9
Address: Lodge Cottages Poulshot Devizes
County: Wiltshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
UPSHALL, Henry J Head Married M 45 1866 Dairyman Hazelbury Bryan Dorset
UPSHALL, Elizabeth Wife Married
3 years F 43 1868 Assisting In The Business Kincardineshire
UPSHALL, Ellis Frank Son M 12 1899 School Heddon House Wylan Northumberland

note Henry only married for 3 years so Henrietta his wife had died

For the record...

Marriages Dec 1918

COLEBY Robert Upshall Paddington 1a 49
Upshall Margaret M _ C Coleby Paddington 1a 49

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
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COLEBY Robert Upshall Paddington 1a 49
Upshall Margaret M _ C Coleby Paddington 1a 49

Andy

Name: Henrietta Upshall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1906
Age at Death: 43
Registration district: Devizes
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 49

Name: Henry James Upshall
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1907
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 933

spouse Elizabeth Dunn

Henry was still single in 1891
1891 census transcription details for: Hestover Farm, Burges Lane, Baltonsborough

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1915
Folio: 6
Page: 5
Reg. District: Wells
Sub District: Glastonbury
Parish: Baltonsborough
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Baltonsborough
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hestover Farm, Burges Lane, Baltonsborough
County: Somersetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CLAPP, Hungerford Head Married M 36 1855 Farmer
Ashton, Somersetshire
CLAPP, Hester Wife Married F 38 1853
Butleigh, Somersetshire
CLAPP, Marrian Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Keynsham, Somersetshire
CLAPP, Lionel Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Pensford, Somersetshire
CLAPP, Lewis Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Baltonsborough, Somersetshire
CLAPP, Edward Son M 5 1886 Scholar
Baltonsborough, Somersetshire
CLAPP, Robert Son M 3 1888 Scholar
Baltonsborough, Somersetshire

UPSHALL, Henry Servant Single M 26 1865 Cheese Maker
Hazelbury, Dorsetshire>>>>>>

NULLAND, Florence Servant Single F 16 1875 General Servant Domestic
Devizes, Wiltshire



Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: UPSHALL, Henry James
Registration district: Alnwick
County: Northumberland
Year of registration: 1893
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 595
MarriageFinder: Henry James Upshall married :

TYRRELL, Henrietta

not picking Margaret up on the 1911 census

Thank you for all that. I know that she was in service as a nursemaid /nanny but why wouldn't she show up in the census returns of her employer?

At marriage she was living at 36 Lancaster Mews.
Was that an employer's address perhaps?

Name: Margaret Mildred Ellis Grey Upshall
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Spouse Name: Robert Coleby
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Dec 1918
Parish: Lancaster Gate Christ Church
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Henry James Upshall
Spouse Father Name: Henry Coleby
Register Type: Parish Register

Gwyn

wonder if this is Margaret

1911 census


Name: Bessie Upshall
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hazelbury Bryan, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Cheselbourne
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address: Manor House, Manor Farm, Cheselbourne, Dorchester
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Servant Domestic
Registration district: Dorchester
Registration District Number: 264
Sub-registration district: Cerne
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 41
Piece: 12424
Household Members:
Name Age
William Rogers 53
Jessie Edgar Rogers 43
Bessie Upshall 19

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 12424; Schedule Number: 41


birthplace given is the same as Henry's. maybe they didnt know she was born in Northumberland presumed she was born in Dorset

Not Bessie....

1901
Name: Bessie Upshall
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Upshall
Mother's name: Jane Upshall
Gender: Female
Where born: Hazelbury Brian, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Cheselbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Cheselbourne St Martin
Town: Cheselbourne
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Cerne
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 2005
Folio: 118
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
George Upshall 31
Jane Upshall 30
Bessie Upshall 9
Mabel Upshall 7
Kate Upshall 4

Darn that puts that one out of the running then.

Have tried all sorts of permutations for Margaret even just searching on surname but just not picking her up.

Some employers though did give their servants different names if there were others with the same christian name in the household

Could she have been wrongly indexed under GREY ..or ELLIS ?

That's a thought---I'll have a rummage around later. Is there a way of finding the "big" house that 36 Lancaster Mews belonged to and thus to the occupants who might have been the employers?. I have a very vague recollection of her "lady"being a Countess, but that's probably hogwash! Have got to go off-line now,but many thanks for all the help.
Alison

an address search on the 1911 for Lancaster Mews Kensington shows it only goes up to nos 19

1911 census

Address: 36 Lancaster Mews W

BRAIN, Harry Head Married M 25 1886 Chauffeur Domestic London Stoke Newington
BRAIN, Ellen Maud Wife Married 1 years F 19 1892 London Marylebone


RG number: RG14
Piece: 75
Reference: RG14PN75 RG78PN3 RD1 SD3 ED7 SN87
Registration District: Paddington
Sub District: Paddington South
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Paddington
Address: 36 Lancaster Mews W
County: London