Genealogy Chat

Ann - I presume you're referring to the old 1881 census. Here's an example transcription:

1881 Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John GARDNER Head M Male 62 West Moor, Northumberland, England Coal Miner
Mary GARDNER Wife M Female 60 East Rainton, Durham, England
Jane A. GARDNER Dau U Female 18 Moorsley, Durham, England
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Source Information:
Dwelling 10 Richard St
Census Place Hetton Le Hole, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342197
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4975 / 127
Page Number 15

I found the old display nicer - you could cut and paste easily, and click on the previous/next household buttons.


Although the coverage is more variable, you can still do this with the FreeCEN transcriptions.

Piece: RG11/2311 Place: St Clements -Cornwall Enumeration District: 14
Civil Parish: Truro St. Mary Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 47 Page: 16 Schedule: 91
Address: Union St
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GARDNER Henry A. Head M M 30 Gentlemans Servant Middlesex - Harefield
GARDNER Sarah S. Wife M F 30 Cornwall - Kenwyn
GARDNER Sarah S. Dau - F 1 Buckinghamshire - Denham

However, only Cornwall and part of Caithness is available in 1881.
Check county details for actual coverage of piece #s at:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/statistics.html


FS also used to cover Canada 1881 and US 1880 - they still do but some years it's hard to form h/h's from the individual transcriptions.

In Canada 1871 on, you can see neighbours, but not always transcriptions - just the raw images.
Drill down at the LAC portal:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html
to the census index links page:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

Here's an 1881 example using:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1881/index-e.html

Name: Glesson, James
Sex: M
Age: 46
Place of Birth: Scotland
Religion: Presb
Ethnic Origin: Scotch
Occupation: Merchant
Province: Quebec
District Name: Montreal (City) (90)
Sub-District Name: St-Antoine Ward (H)
Division: 6
Page: 39
Microfilm: C-13220
Reference: RG31 - Statistics Canada

You can click on the image link and see:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008161920.pdf
(the image shows his name is Slessor - my g grandad's uncle)
You can see the adjacent double pages by just editting the URL to:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008161919.pdf
or to:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008161921.pdf



https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
Here's an unrelated Slessor:

name: Wm. H. Slessor
residence: Grant, Tama, Iowa
birthdate: 1819
birthplace: Scotland
relationship to head: Self
spouse's name: Ketty Slessor
spouse's birthplace: Scotland
father's name:
father's birthplace: Scotland
mother's name:
mother's birthplace: Scotland
race or color (expanded): White
ethnicity (standardized): American
gender: Male
martial status: Married
age (expanded): 61 years
occupation: Farmer
nara film number: T9-0365
page: 463
page character: D
entry number: 173
film number: 1254365
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Wm. H. Slessor M 61 Scotland
wife Ketty Slessor F 53 Scotland
dau Esebell J. Slessor F 23 Scotland
son Nicter A. Slessor M 19 Scotland
son Albert E. Slessor M 17 Isle of Man
John W. Slessor M 10 Illinois, United States
Archiebald C. Slessor M 9 Iowa, United States


The key items are:
residence: Grant, Tama, Iowa
nara film number: T9-0365
page: 463
page character: D
film number: 1254365

Note the NARA reel # and the LDS film # agree in last 3 digits (the NARA reel # isn't on all censuses)

Now look up http://www.archive.org/details/1880_census or whatever year you fancy,
click on Iowa, then reel # 365, then read online. Then edit the URL:
http://archive.org/stream/10thcensus0365unit#page/n0/mode/2up
(changing page & up bits) to:
http://archive.org/stream/10thcensus0365unit#page/n463/mode/1up

Find a nice name on the page and look that up
name: Lawrance White
page: 498
page character: D
entry number: 2572

So lets try deceasing the URL by 35

http://archive.org/stream/10thcensus0365unit#page/n428/mode/1up
name: William Burnsid
page: 481
page character: A
entry number: 1490

I've only gone done by 17, so maybe there's 2 images per LDS page # - decrease by 35 again, and we get them

http://archive.org/stream/10thcensus0365unit#page/n393/mode/1up

Now you can click to adjacent pages - don't ever touch the slider bar in right margin - it's way too insensitive.
Also magnify 4 clicks before downloading image (to get a decent resolution in downloaded image).

Some years, when you the initial look up on FS, you get to click on a free image to left of transcription. You can page thru these images.

I miss the old site because you could go from house to house along the street and pick up other family connections - however, the new site is fine but I do hope they bring the old one back as well

I have put a new thread with updated info re the IGI etc.

I agree Eric and Thelma that it is free but sad to say there are still those who complain as to the reasons the LDS Church does FH.

If their conscienc bothers them, then I suggest that they stop using it.

Not only is it free but now the records are more up to date it can save a fortune.
EG

Thomas Renyard
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 04 Jun 1846 Southampton,? Hampshire,? England
parents: Renyard
spouse: Elizabeth Ann Wilkins
I already have this cert. but
I could have saved £9.25!

I find the new style hard to use also
But what a lot of folk on here complaining
dont seem to appreciate is that..its



FREE

Thank you Syvia and JustJill I thought I was on my own there for a while :-D

Thelma...when I first joined GR I read many threads where one had to be very wary of submitted entries on IGI. However when finding a submitted marriage in Woodbridge, Sussex possibly pertaining to my OH's 3x gt grandfather, a marriage which took place well away from his home in Cheshire, I emailed the local archive library to check and they verified the submission was correct and very kindly sent me a copy of the parish record. From the censuses I knew that 3x gt grandmother came from Woodbridge and from the parish record 3x gt grandfather was serving in the army at the time and was in barracks in Woodbridge.

Linda

I always use Hugh Wallis for Batch Numbers.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm

Redrobin has kindly put me right on the new arrangements........I would like to reciprocate by saying that anybody who has problems, like me, finding the appropriate Batch Numbers wirh which to search..will find them on www.cyndi's list .com.....

Derek.

Wisechild
You do not need to register .
As I understand it if you register you are volunteering to do transcriptions.

I like the new site. Whilst the old was available I used both so I got used to the new one but I do miss the IGI. J

Have just spent 20 minutes trying to register for new family search.
Recieved an e mila saying my account had been activated, but when I try to get into the records I get a message saying that my registration can´t be used on the new site yet.
Anyone know why??

Like many others I have always discounted submitted records on the IGI.
Recently I found a marriage on FMP which was not on IGI parish records.
Turns out the IGI records are incomplete but the submitted records are correct.
Quote from Devon FHS;
The IGI was compiled from transcripts made by D&CRS in the early 20th century. These transcripts were almost all done from Bishops Transcripts. At that time, the registers were still in the individual churches.

Where's simplicity when you need it.

The new site has 596 US collections, 73 UK collections, 62 Canadian collections, plus others from the rest of the world. The old site had maybe half a dozen links, but I only used 3 - IGI, US SSDI, and the census - none of this confusion with naturalization, land, probate, military, etc., records

On the old site one just got the 1881/1880 census - none of this confusing choice about which census to look up.

Similarly, on the IGI, say I look up my Thirlaways in Chester-le-Street. I know the extracts stop at 1812, so I didn't need to bother with 1813-1836. Now I have to check the unindexed images of the Durham bishop's transcripts - so much more complicated.

Hi Sylvia
I am persevering with the new site and I strongly agree with you if it is the case that the records are all from Parish Registers and not contributed by others - I have been lead astray with incorrect contributions from others many times.
Steve.

No Linda

you are not alone!

I also much prefer the new site.

I also tried the pilot site, and could see the images.


At least ALL the records they show are from Parish Registers, and therefore not somebody's made up fantasies!


However ........................... I did notice last week that the site did not find a name that I was seeking BUT down at the bottom of the page it directed me to 3 family records


so you could try entering your name in the search boxes on the new site, and then scroll right down to the bottom of the page (or possibly the end of the finds), and see what it says.




sylvia

I suspect it is just me then who appreciates the new site....perhaps it varies with different counties.

I am wondering if anyone else used the pilot site besides myself which was available alongside IGI for some time previous to this newly developed site.

For a short while, well at least for myself, when finding a parish record the image of the record was available to view and download which was an added bonus. Sadly this facility was withdrawn and researchers were then directed to FMP and another genealogy site where fees were incurred :-(

Linda

I also complained and I have had a very polite email by return, the old site will not be returning, but they have given me instructions on how to use the new site!!! Would rather have the old site back...it will be missed.

I find the new site just about useless. I could find most things I wanted on the old site, but not now. I think the trouble is that most sites are put together by Kids who have been brought up with Computers and the products of Universeties who have had all the commen sense educated out of them. Most people doing family trees are not young computer geeks but people born before computers were even though of.

Bernard

Hi,
Just want to update you all.

I did send the email asking for help and have had communication back and forwards very quickly.
Having understood exactly what I wanted they have assured me that once the upgrading of the site is completed later in the year, the sheets I like to print off will be available again.
They also sent me lots of information and guidelines to better my research and suggestions on what to do until the upgrade is complete.
If you have any queries it is well worth getting in touch with them through the help page. I am very pleased with the response I received.

Regards Sylvia

I'm afraid I have to disagree I have found far more information on my ancestors on the new site than I ever did on IGI and I can still use the batch numbers on the new site.

Linda