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This is his birth record?

Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
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Clayson George Northampton 3b 68

what is confusing?

You could purchase the cert from GRO

If there is no father named on the birth cert you cannot go further back with that line.

I know when I saw my gt grandmothers marriage cert and she named an Edward Wilkinson as her father...took me ages to trace her and then find she had been illigitimate and Edward Wilkinson was just a made up name

I have seen that one Jax thank you but then it gets confusing when you check grandads birth record on line. Thats where I get stuck and need help. I suppose the easiest way is to go to Northampton and check through the records myself.

If you look at the 1881 census I gave you it says Elizabeth Clayson Single living as a lodger with her 3 year old son Edward

jax

Fanny married one of the following two men

Surname Forename Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CLAYSON Fanny Wrexham, Civil Marriage Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) WM/020/93
Surname Forename Reference
CHARLES Mary WM/020/93
HUGHES Joseph WM/020/93
RANDLES Edward WM/020/93

Hi Jax

I have often wondered if that was the case but could never be sure..
I really appreciate your help.

Malc x

Your gt grandmother was not married when your grandfather was born so he was registered as Clayson, but he obviously took his step fathers name when he married and on later census's.

If there is a C.Clayson named as his father it is possably a made up name

jax

The George Clayson Ives is my grandad and the Joseph Ives is my late father although he was born in 1910.
Grandad was born George Clayson. His mum Elizabeth came from Wrexham with her siblings Samuel and harriet . All I know about his birth father is that his name was probably Charles Clayson.
That is where I am stuck . Its taken me years to get this far.
Both sides of my late mother's family I have traced back to the early 1700's and the Ives to the late 1700's.
But now I'm trying to research my grandads birth fathers family.
All the help your giving me is greatly appreciated.

Malc :0))

1861 census - household transcription
Person: CLAYSON, Elizabeth
Address: 7, Brook Street, Wrexham Abbot, Wrexham


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CLAYSON, George Head Married M 28 1833 Boot Maker
Northampton
Northamptonshire VIEW
CLAYSON, Harriet Wife Married F 30 1831
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
CLAYSON, Edward Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
CLAYSON, Samuel Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
CLAYSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
CLAYSON, Fanny Daughter F 2 1859
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
FOULKES, William Boarder Unmarried M 36 1825 Railway Labourer
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW

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1881 census - household transcription
Person: CLAYSON, Elizth
Address: 8, St Edmunds Row, Northampton St Giles


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WILSON, George Head Married M 30 1851 Cab Driver
Yardley Gobyon
Northamptonshire VIEW
WILSON, Jane Wife Married F 26 1855 Shoe Machinist
Northampton
Northamptonshire VIEW
CLAYSON, Elizth Lodger Single F 24 1857 Laundress
Wrexham
Denbighshire
Wales VIEW
CLAYSON, Edward Lodgers Son Single M 3 1878
Northampton
Northamptonshire VIEW


1891 census - household transcription
Person: IVES, Elizabeth
Address: 18, Devonshire Street, Dallington, St James End Northampton


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IVES, Thomas Head Married M 34 1857 Boot Finisher
Northampton VIEW
IVES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1856
Wrexham
North Wales VIEW
IVES, Edward Son M 13 1878 Shoe Hand
Northampton VIEW
IVES, George Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Northampton VIEW
IVES, Harriet E Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Northampton VIEW

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Elizabeth was single until she married Thomas Ives in 1889... So if you are looking for a death of her first husband you will not find one

1911 census - household transcription
Person: IVES, George Clayson
Address: 2 York Place Weston St Northampton



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IVES, George Clayson Head Married M 28 1883 Salesman Northampton VIEW
IVES, Beatrice Ellen Wife Married
5 years F 25 1886 Housekeeper Harpole Northampton VIEW
IVES, Emily Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1906 School Northampton VIEW
IVES, George Leonard Son M 3 1908 Northampton VIEW
IVES, Joseph Thomas Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Northampton VIEW

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Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
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FAULKNER Beatrice Ellen Northampton 3b 109
IVES George Clayson Northampton 3b 109

I'm not sure what you are after either are you looking for your grandfathers marriage or someone else's completly?

So this must be them??

1901 census - household transcription
Person: IVES, Elizabeth
Address: 29, Moore Street, Kingsthorpe



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IVES, Thomas Head Married M 44 1857 Boot Finisher
Northampton VIEW
IVES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 45 1856
Wrexham
N Wales VIEW
IVES, George Son Single M 18 1883 Groom
Northampton VIEW
IVES, Harriet Daughter Single F 16 1885 Shoe Closer
Northampton VIEW
IVES, Bertha Daughter Single F 7 1894 Scholar
Northampton VIEW

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: IVES, Elizabeth
Address: 93 Great Russell St Northampton



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IVES, Thomas Head Married M 54 1857 Chimney Sweeper Northampton VIEW
IVES, Elizabeth Wife Married
30 years F 56 1855 North Wales Wrexham VIEW
IVES, Bertha Daughter Single F 17 1894 Machinist Northampton VIEW

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Years married slightly out should be 22

7 children 3 living Harriet, George and Bertha

I think that A Clayson is meant to be a Clayson in the opening post giving no initials?

Not sure what info you are after exactly?

For timing:

Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
Clayson Elizabeth Northampton 3b 155
IVES Thomas Northampton 3b 155

I am really confused! What are your grandparents' names? Who is C. Clayson??
Jan

No thats not them. The Elizabeth Clayson (his mum) later went on to marry Thomas Ives. But I cannot find a death of a C Clayson in the right period.
In the 1901 census they are in northampton and grandad was a groom. Think it might have been Kingsthorpe.

Think that samuel could be Elizabeths brother. It looks about right.

You need to say what info you have for certain - birth of one of their children for example..
Jan

Is this them 1911 maybe?? But too old to be your grandparents I would say!!

CLAYSON, Samuel Head Married M 57 1854 House Decorator Denbigh Wrexham VIEW
CLAYSON, Eliza Wife Married
36 years F 54 1857 Northants Northampton VIEW
CLAYSON, Emily Daughter Single F 28 1883 Elementary School Teacher Northants Northampton VIEW
CLAYSON, George Albert Son Single M 25 1886 Tailor Dealer Northants Northampton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8430 Reference:
RG14PN8430 RG78PN434 RD163 SD2 ED8 SN302

Registration District:
Northampton Sub District:
All Saints Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Kingsthorpe

Address:
61 Cecil Road Northampton County:
Northamptonshire

No I have not got any Cert's yet its taken me nearly 8 years to get this far with him. :0(( He is a real mystery and all my dads siblings have all passed away

Do you have the MC?

If so, could you please give the details with the hope that we can either find them on Census, or alternatively, their birth registrations.

All of the details help with the research