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I'm pretty new to trying to trace my English and Welsh ancestors, My great great grandfather died in Wales but how do I go about finding him as the listings do not give details of spouses. Would appreciate any help I can get.
Helen

If he had a fairly common name you may have some difficulty I'm afraid.

If you know the year of his birth and approximate year of death look at:

www.freebmd.org.uk for deaths upto about 1950

www.ancestry.co.uk for deaths upto 2005

Compare age at death to date of birth. Remember that deaths are registered where they occur which may be a different location from where the deceased normally lived.

After 1869, the age at death is on the index.

After 1969 the DOB is on the index

and spouses names are not necessarily even on English or Welsh death certificates UNLESS the spouse is also the informant.


They are not nearly as informative as Scottish, or especially Australian certificates!




sylvia

Hello Helen and welcome to the Community boards.


As well as the excellent advice given above, it may be helpful for you to put the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above to see if anyone else has them in their tree. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner.


After trying all of the above and you find you are still stuck, then if you post some details on here, I am sure someone will give you some more advice.

Cx.

Thank you for this, I know he is still around in 1911, he was in Scotland with his son and granddaughter, when my great grandfather died him and his wife moved back to Wales leaving my great gran with the other grandchildren. His name was Thomas Bath and was born in 1848, I have his birth certificate, certainly costing money to order these and then discover you have the wrong ones.
H

What was his wife's name?

When was she born?

The only Thomas Bath deaths in Wales after 1911 are for a man aged 64 in 1915, and one aged 46 in 1916

Did he have a second forename?

1891 census for the 1915 death

Name: Thomas Bath
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Bath
Gender: Male
Where born: Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abergavenny
Ecclesiastical parish: Abergavenny
Town: Abergavenny
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Abergavenny
Sub-registration district: Abergavenny
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4347
Folio: 130
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bath 40
Ann Bath 45
Lily Bath 15
Joseph Bath 12
Maud M Bath 8
Arthur J Bath 2
Florence L Bath 1/12

His wifes name was Emma, I think the Thomas you have is his father.
H

HIs father was James, but his mother is Ann, he was born in Farmborough. I have little bits of information, started my family tree in 2009, was registered with Genes but only recently started using it a bit more. I have family tree maker that I work on more often. Someone suggested I try Genes to see if I could gather any more info.

I posted the census to eliminate the 1915 death.................a man born in 1851 was not the father of your relation

OK........just for INFO

1881 for parents etc

Name: Ann Bath
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Bath
Gender: Female
Where born: Farmbourough, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: 3 Gloster St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Laundress

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5258
Folio: 66
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
James Bath 66
Ann Bath 68
Ester Bath 15
Edward Bath 12
Alfred Bath 9

Is this the right man in 1901?

Name: Thomas Bath
Age in 1901: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Bath
Gender: Male
Where born: Farmbary, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Maindee John
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Piece: 4961
Folio: 159
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bath 52
Emily Bath 51
Charles T Bath 24
William D Dodd 24
Lewis D Pike 19
John Watkins 22


AND in 1881?

Name: Thomas Bath
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Bath
Gender: Male
Where born: Farmborough, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: 3 Gloster St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Lab

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5258
Folio: 66
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bath 34
Emma Bath 33
Mary J. Bath 9
Charles T. Bath 5

That's him. Is there somewhere in England that you can do research, here in Scotland, I go to register house in Edinburgh to check my Scottish ancestors.
H

Deaths in England and Wales are supposed to be recorded on the GRO index which you can search on line, but most people have at least one relative who is 'missing'. It could be that their name has got mangled (George Henry instead of Henry George) or their age is recorded differently - the information recorded, is only as good as the informants knowledge. They may even have died away, and the death recorded, from their normal geographical area,

None of the certificates are available to browse though, whether at the gro or at the issuing register office. Possibly the closest you could get would be parish records if he was buried with a nominated church service rather than the duty clergyman. A family search centre close to you could order them in (and charge £10 for each film?)

Council Cemetery departments are usually quite helpful, but a number could charge for searching their registers. It could work out quite expensive if you don't know where he might have been buried.

What is your source for the info that he 'moved back to Wales'?

Try using the freebmd website................

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Is this his marriage?

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
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BATH Thomas Newport,M. 11a 285
Bond Emma Newport Mon 11a 285

I've got a copy of the marriage certificate. I have ordered the 1915 certificate to check it out

I had already demonstrated that the 1915 death was NOT your relation........that's why I posted the 1891 census for the man!

You didn't answer the question in my last posting.

It is important that you take notice of all info and questions on posts when you have asked for guidance.............