Genealogy Chat

The 1911 census that is... What is the point of filling in details of name, birth place, where they were living county town etc if all of that is totally ignored and a list of names appear at the other end of the country.

My friends family were all born and lived in Kent and Sussex Horsmonden mainly and yet when entered I get everything but Horsmonden or even Kent or Sussex .Usually begins with Yorkshire even when I go to refine still ignores the information entered.

I got lucky once when it actually gave that place name and a list of Mr or Mrs all of which I checked out and found a few families that matched mine, but next time I entered the same details 26 pages later I was still in Yorkshire or Lancashire.

So how do you use the 1911 census successfully any suggestions appreciated. Pat

where are you trying to use the census??

On here (GR), on FMP, on ancestry, or on the original 1911Census site???


The best search engine so far is on the original 1911Census site ............... I havne't used the ancestry 1911 transcription often enough yet to be certain how good that one is.


FMP did its own transcription, and the search engine was so poor that people use the 1911Census site to find the basic details, then go back to FMP with those.


GR uses the FMP version




sylvia

I agree with Sylvia, the official 1911 has the best search engine and when you have found what you think is a match you can look it up on another site.

Ancestry has not transcribed all the census returns yet (only the Summary Books) They have not yet done Kent or Sussex

There was a statement in ancestry acknowledging problems / omissions that would be put right.

FMP...users are actually using the offical records held at 1911census.co.uk.


too much information can result in---not found,,,,,,,less is more.

I too am having trouble finding a family on the 1911 using Ancestry.

It is Albert Cook 1871 Hampstead Marshall, Berkshire and wife Eliza Ellen Smith East Woodley. Children Richard Cook 1897 West Ham Essex gt London. Ellen 1911, Elsie 1907, Florence 1900 James 1903

This is from FMP - any good as a search aid?

COOK, Albert Head Married M 40 1871 Coal Porter (shipping) Hampstead Marshall Berks
COOK, Nellie Wife Married
14 years F 39 1872 Hat Common Hampshire
COOK, Richard Son M 14 1897 School Cnning Town London
COOK, Florence Daughter F 11 1900 School Tilbury Essex
COOK, James Son M 8 1903 Tilbury Essex
COOK, Elsie Daughter F 4 1907 Tilbury Essex
COOK, Ellen Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Tilbury Essex

RG14PN9965 RG78PN524 RD192 SD1 ED14 SN266
41 Quebec Road Tilbury, Essex
Registration District: Orsett
Sub District: Grays
Enumeration District: 14
Parish: Chadwell St Mary

7 children born, 2 died.


Edit - Essex hasn't been transcribed yet on Ancestry. At least, it isn't on their list. You might now be able to find them in the Summary Books.

OOOOOOOOOoooooo thanks DettEcTive your a star.



Mel

Lol - you're welcome. :-D

Did you spot the edit? I've sent the image as an attachment to a PM..........if it works.

On Ancestry if you display any image from the 1911 census there is a line above the image of the form County > parish > enumeration district.

Change county to Essex a drop down menu appears

Change
Parish to Chadwell St Mary
Subdistrict to Grays
and Enumeration District to 14

Then the Cooks are on Image 534

That's interesting KenSE - but a right palaver if you haven't a clue where they might be.

I'm just hoping that they get the rest of the counties transcribed by the end of Feb before my FMP 1911 sub runs out!

Yes, it's not too bad if you know where the head of the houshold should be but almost impossible otherwise apart from using the search facility of the 1911 site.

I think it is a case of incomplete transcription...it's in the summary but not in the full census.

:-(

It's a bit unreasonable of you to expect to find an index entry for a county Ancestry haven't yet indexed.

It's also unreasonable of Ancestry not saying what they've not indexed.

I find Ancestry's new style search frustrating, so I always use the old style.
If I go to Ancestry's main menu bar, and select Search - Search All Records, then the old/new switch appears at top right, just under the main menu bar.
The old style 1911 search screen has a drop-down list of County of Residence.
Sussex and Kent aren't on the list.
(Military, Royal Navy and 4 southern counties are there (CON, DEV, ESS, LDN) - the north begins with CHS, DBY, LEI, WAR, WOR, RUT, LIN, NFK - I don't know how completely a listed county is indexed, but obviously, an unlisted county will have nowt.)

So what do I do if I want to find John Smith, say, living in Frant - there is exactly one aged 91.

Step 1) Go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
and search the catalog for Frant, 1911-1911, rg.

I get
RG 14/4921 Registration Sub-District: Wadhurst Civil Parish, Township or Place: Frant (part) RD 73 RS 2 ED 14 1911
RG 14/4922 Registration Sub-District: Wadhurst Civil Parish, Township or Place: Frant (part) RD 73 RS 2 ED 15 1911
RG 14/4923 Registration Sub-District: Wadhurst Civil Parish, Township or Place: Frant (part) RD 73 RS 2 ED 16 1911
RG 14/4924 Registration Sub-District: Wadhurst Civil Parish, Township or Place: Frant (part) RD 73 RS 2 ED 17 1911
RG 14/4925 Registration Sub-District: Wadhurst Civil Parish, Township or Place: Frant (part) RD 73 RS 2 ED 18 1911
RG 78/213 Registration Sub-District: Wadhurst Civil Parish, Township or Place: Wadhurst (part) Lamberhurst (part) Frant (part) Broadwater Down (part) RD 73 RS 2 ED 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 1911

and clicking on the first hit gives me a bit of extra info:

RG 14 General Register Office: 1911 Census Schedules
Sussex
Ticehurst

Next, I go to http://www.1911census.co.uk/ and do a "full person search" and show advanced fields - I want John Smith in Sussex - Ticehurst RD.

Next I add a census ref of rd73 sd2 and search again - I've gotten down to my John. He must be the only one living in Wadhurst subdistrict, with all the others living in Ticehurst subdistrict.
I don't yet know if he lives in Frant though, so I enter the census refs of rd73 sd2 ed14 thru rd73 sd2 ed18 in turn and search again. I get a hit for ed14.

I could now go to Ancestry and browse thru Sussex - Frant - ed14, but this ED has 500 or fewer individuals, so I can cut down the browsing.


I next go to http://www.findmypast.co.uk/home.jsp and search records - census, etc - 1911 - search by name.
In the lower left of search screen, do a census ref search - select 1911(rg14), then piece=4921 - leave rest blank.
It lists everyone in the piece (max 500), so type F whilst holding down the Ctrl key to get a little "find" window, and look for Smith in web page.

RG14PN4921 RG78PN213 RD73 SD2 ED14 SN64 SMITH, John Ticehurst


So now I also know his sequence #.
I don't have an Ancestry sub, so I've never done the next bit, but I've heard that one should double the seq # to get Ancestry's image # (approximately), and page on or back from there.
The seq # does appear at top right of the page with people listed - I don't know what the other image is.

Indeed, Ken; as I posted yesterday "There was a statement in ancestry acknowledging problems / omissions that would be put right."

Ancestry / genealogist / find my past / http://www.1911census.co.uk/ - we have a good choice :-) so different from when we had to sit winding on the film, ouch my shoulder ;-)

mgnv...I too HATE the Ancestry New Search with a vengeance! However all too often when it decides to default to the new search it just WILL NOT revert to old search...and I can't get Ancestry to acknowledge they have a problem.

Ancestry don't actually "say" what they have indexed but if you click on the available counties there are many missing so by default these are the ones not indexed. What they don't say is that many counties are incomplete. e.g. Worcestershire. And there are definitely omissions in monmouthshire (as this is the Welsh county that my more recent lines settled in). I tried doubling the schedule number but that didn't work :-(

But I did find the full page on 1911census

But as I say it is a work in progress. Wales only became available in the last quarter or so of 2011 and England later still.

I guess we all have to be patient!

Jude

On Ancestry if you display any image from the 1911 census there is a line above the image of the form County > parish > enumeration district.

Change county to Essex a drop down menu appears

Change
Parish to Chadwell St Mary
Subdistrict to Grays
and Enumeration District to 14


Just tried this for one of my missing newport entries....it's in ED36 and when you try this method Newport ends at....35 :-(

So obviously not completely updated!!

Will try this with my Worcester missing entrues

Jude

I see what you mean. They haven't got the images for half of Newport, no wonder they haven't transcribed them.