Genealogy Chat

hi all,
I have spoken to the lady at the records office and she says that my Grandfathers' birth certificate has NOT been changed or altered, so therefore he cannot have been George Elston b.1906, which incidently is also the year before my Grandad was born.
I have requested John and Elizabeth's marriage certificate last week, to see if this will shed some light on anything, but not heard anything yet.
I am also going to have a day off to spend in the High Wycombe library, or search micro film, so any tips you can give me for that would be greatly appreciated too.
Kind Regards
Cassi xoxox :-D

Hi everyone,
I am now very swayed towards the John, 1855.
Everything seems to fit...except, why did they dis-own my
grandad for having a child out of wedlock>? When they had
already done that very thing themselves?>
I am going to pursue this very valid lead, and perhaps one
of my cousins from that side may well know why he was
banished from the family. Would be very sad to me if this
is true. Or perhaps I will find another reason he was caste
out of the family fold
Kind Regards and warm thx to everyone xoxox
I will let you know my findings from birth certs etc!
Cassi x

Ok, have spoke to Mum again today and George's brothers were John and William, and William lives in Gerrards Cross, but I'm at a bbq tonite so don't have time to look this up!!
Cassi xoxox ;-)

p.s. I have had news back from the tree search for George and while I didn't find any more info for him, I did find a relative of my partner Tim Mason, who has a few more relatives than I do!! Also, one of the Mason ladies, married a Saunders of Loosley Row, Princes Risborough!! Small world in those days!!
Fingers X'd for some more results like that one!!
Cassi x

Hi everyone,
Facts I do know about George Saunders b. 1907 Penn Bucks, birthday 2nd January, Father, John, General Labourer, Mother Elizabeth, formerley Elstone.
He definately lived in Penn as a child/young adult, and came from there, so to speak, to marry my Grandmother, Dorothy Winifred Morley, 1906. Married 1933, when George returned from the Army. They lived in 'Back Lane' Kingsmead road, it would have been in Hunts Cottages, Nan's Mum and Dad lived next door to them, no.s 5/6. When they first married, then moved to Herbert Road, Micklefield, High Wycombe, where they lived until a few years after George died in 1975. Dorothy died in 1988. I have both of their death cert's too.
Feel certain John was a carpenter, or such. He may have been a general labourer when George was born, but they were of a higher 'class' than my Grandmother, by area, so not sure about the information you have found, so far.
I agree that the 'e' could be missing from the Elstone, but then why did she make sure it was there for George's birth certificate?
His sister, Ada may not have been her real first name, as was common in that time. Ada married an Alfred Newell.
George had brothers and sisters.
The rest of my family of that time, didn't travel more than a few miles to marry their partners, so I really am not sure that John would have travelled so much. He is registered as a general labourer in 1907, there was so much agricultural work in this area, can't reason that he would travel so far to do something he could have done where he was!
Penn is an afluent area, full of agricultural labourers, who with the arrival of machinery, would have had to find new careers, and the arrival and growth of the furniture industry of High Wycombe, mean't that mostly, they became carpenters, chair makers etc. My great uncle Charlie, used to 'drove' the chairs, stacked to the maximum, to London, where he would sell them all before heading home for the next lot. He never married. Charles Slade, (1861) picture of him with said chairs, for those of you who have access to my tree. If any of you would like to access my tree, please send a request, as it may help.
Thankyou very much once again everyone, I really appreciate all the time you have spent helping me out
<3 <3 <3 Cassi xoxox

Both of those links will be useful Cassi, they are used by the helpers on here all the time.


The familysearch site has many records c1600-1900, whilst freebmd has bmds from 1837-c1950s - and they are still being added to.



Roy, I am torn between the old and the new searches - I like the new way for it's presentation, but prefer the older version for sibling searches etc. Old habits die hard don't they? :-D

Thankyou for both of those links, I'll try them both see which one works best for me!! LOL
Had a reply from a lady on the tree requests I made earlier. She has more information for me to check out too!!! xoxox Thankyou everyone!
:-D

Just a note about the IGI on familysearch,

their are two types of entry's
submitted and extracted

Submitted; needs to be looked into further as these are entries from members of the latter-day saints organisation so not reliable

Extracted; these are taken from parish records so more reliable,

each entry will say towards the bottom of the page whether submitted or extracted

the link above is to the new search on familysearch site,

I still prefer the old search so still use the link below

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

Roy

Hello Cassi,

Hope you have sent messages to possible links on here!


Here is the link for the IGI - International Genealogical Index. It's an invaluable free resource for researchers.

https://www.familysearch.org/


What did you think of the births from freebmd?

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/


Cx

Hi Cynthia
I have just been through the tree matches, and the near matches for him, and we shall see if any relatives pop up!! I think I will have a day off and head to the High Wycombe library, see if I can find them, that way, I will still have time to head off to Aylesbury if I have no joy!!
What is IGI?
Cassi
x

Cassi,

If you look at freebmd, there are four males born with the surname Saunders - mother's maiden name Elston between 1913 and 1920. William, James, Richard and John H.


It often happens that family stories get muddled in their telling - if you know what I mean.

Confirming by certificate is the sure way to get to the truth.

By the way, did you try contacting the other people on this site who have your family in their tree?


I am interested in this thread simply because my paternal line comes from the same area and I was able, through the IGI, to trace their baptisms back (at St. Lawrences of the Golden Ball fame), to the 1700's. :-D




Cx

And will check also the Lacey Green carpenters, thanks Bev Jan and Staffslass and Roy.
Hoping its the Lacey Green!! lol
xoxox :-D

Ok it looks good, but Mum said that he had many brothers, not just Ada.
Hang on...ok, just been over notes I took while speaking to Mum and Dad about him. 5 children all together, 2 f and 3 males. So, looking for two brothers and two sisters. Ada is the only one we know about.
The agricultural link is ok, mostly agricultural work around our area at that time, but gramp was a carpenter/upholsterer. Thought his dad would have been too, but can't be sure. Wycombe became a world market for furniture.
He was an educated man, disowned for marrying below his station, so to speak, for having a child out of wedlock, even though he married as soon as he got back from the army.
Will check out the ones you've found, but don't feel that Elston would have been the childrens surnames. They were middle class, don't feel they would have been in a position to exile my gramp for doing something that, essentially, was something they had done!
Thanks and be back tomorrow xoxox :-D

I am wondering if ELSTON is Elizabeth's maiden name?

the 1911 say's married 5 years so they married in 1906+/- so she was 43 years old when first married? could Elston be a previous married name?

I think Ada born 1903 so before the marriage could be the key to this

Roy

According to the 1911 census Elizabeth was born 1863 Bucks Burnham
this is the nearest birth i can find but cannot see a marriage for her to John


Name: Kate Elizabeth Elston
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1863
Registration district: Headington
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 547

Roy

It looks like it to me, Staffslass.

Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
Elstone Ada Minnie Eton 3a 915

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
SAUNDERS Ellen Elizabeth Amersham 3a 929

Do you think this is them?





SAUNDERS, John Head Married M 56 1855 Threshing Machine Attendant Oxon Thame VIEW
SAUNDERS, Elizabeth Wife Married
5 years F 48 1863 Bucks Burnham VIEW
ELSTON, Ada Daughter F 8 1903 Bucks Burnham VIEW
ELSTON, George Son M 5 1906 Bucks Penn VIEW
ELSTON, Ellen Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Bucks Chesham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7789 Reference:
RG14PN7789 RG78PN388 RD143 SD2 ED2 SN104

Registration District:
Amersham Sub District:
Chesham Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Chesham

Address:
6 Townfield Yard Chesham County:
Buckinghamshire

Edit: Have just looked at the original and the two younger children have the surname Saunders on it. Also says 4 children born, 2 still living.

Thankyou everyone for taking time out to help!
Brummiejan - workhouse=nope, The Saunders' of Lacey Green, I have explored them, but none of the Johns match up, it could well be that some of them are cousins etc, but have to know which way to head from John!
Porkie Pie/Brummiejan = The birth cert. = thought it might help as it has his ma and pa on there, but they don't appear on the census and can't find them individually either; details as follows;
born; 2nd January 1907, George; Father; John Saunders, General Labourer, Mother; Elizabeth Saunders formerly Elstone, resident in Tylers Green, Chepping Wycombe. Registered in what is now known as High Wycombe in Bucks/Buckinghamshire. No witnesses, how do I find them?

Without a link to John in the 1911, or his marriage cert. I can't find his father, my Great Grandfather, and find his (John's) brothers or sisters, or his Mum etc etc. I currently have over 600 in my tree, mostly there from my own research, but because we don't know ANYTHING about them, apart from his sister Ada, who incidently only had 1/2 an arm after an industrial accident, I am stuck!
Jillian, thankyou for the tip, I have tried that a bit, but without confirmation I could be looking at anyone!! Same to BeverleyW, I need to confirm John, before I can explore everyone else.
If I could just find some evidence of John and Elizabeth together somewhere, it would help. She may have changed her name, for instance, we have loads of Ellen's at one stage, and my great aunt Ellen was known as Lizzie, so could be something like that.
Do you think my best bet is to go to our High Wycombe library and look through the micro films?
Could take a day off work for a nice research day!!!
Tips for that if it's recommended??
Cassi
:-0 :-D :-) :-\ ;-) <3 <3

Hello Cass,

It maybe worthwhile putting the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above (in the dark green bar) as several people seem to have George Saunders in their tree.....1906/7 /Wycombe. You can contact the tree owners for further information. Cx.

If you are sure that the birth cert is for your grandad i would not jump to finding his parents marriage just yet,

if you give the full details on the birth cert
full names of both parents including previous
dads occupation,
names of witnesses.
address where born

Then it may be easier to find them
they may be mis transcribed on the 1911 census,

Roy