Genealogy Chat

Thank you Nicki - I will bear this in mind as Stoneham is in the Hampshire area. Not sure how near Romsey, but certainly the right area.

Maybe not...found this Gertrude A Betteridge in 1911...


TOMKINS, William Steele Head Married
45 years M 74 1837 Civ Engineer Retired Broughton Hants VIEW
TOMKINS, Jane Wife Married
45 years F 69 1842 Wingsland Dorset VIEW
TOMKINS, Edith Marion Niece Single F 39 1872 Jersey VIEW
BUDD, Elizabeth Servant Single F 27 1884 Domestic Servant Hanwell Middx VIEW
ROBERTS, Alice Servant Single F 26 1885 Domestic Servant Romsey Hants VIEW
BETTERIDGE, Gertrude Alice Servant Single F 22 1889 Domestic Servant N Baddesley Hants VIEW
DEVEY, Frances Servant Widow F 42 1869 Domestic Servant Walsall Staff VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6091 Reference:
RG14PN6091 RD102 SD1 ED1 SN222

Registration District:
Stockbridge Sub District:
Broughton Enumeration District:
1 Parish:


Address:
Broughton House Broughton Stockbridge Hampshire County:
Hampshire




Nicky

Wondering about this marriage...could her names have been reversed, and a marriage to Mr. clayton was after this one???

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
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Betteridge Gertrude A Payne S.Stoneham 2c 175
Payne Herbert C L Betteridge S.Stoneham 2c 175




Nicky

Thank you for replyimg Nicki - for clarity, Mottisfont is an area of Romsey.

For reference..

1911

BETTERIDGE, Albert Head Married M 27 1884 Bricklayer Labourer Awebridge Hants VIEW
BETTERIDGE, Agnes Wife Married
4 years F 27 1884 Mottisfont Hants VIEW
BETTERIDGE, Redeley Gurtrude Daughter F 2 1909 Lockerley Hants VIEW
BETTERIDGE, Hartley Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Lockerley Hants VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6085 Reference:
RG14PN6085 RG78PN279 RD101 SD2 ED5 SN44

Registration District:
Romsey Sub District:
Michelmersh Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Lockerley

Address:
Lockerley Green Romsey Hampshire County:
Hampshire




Nicky

I have a Harry Elcock and wife Agnes who have five children - Agnes Gertrude 1886, William Frederick 1889, Mabe 1895l, Gladys 1897 and Hilda 1905.. They were born Romsey, Hampshire and were still doing so 1901. On 1911 census (I cannot find my note of this at the moment) both eldest daughter Agnes and son William are missing. I presumed William had married because also on the census was Dorothy Gertrude ELCOCK age 4 described as grand-daughter. I found a marriage for William to Helen Hebdige in 4Q 1909. I found three children for this marriage - none of which was Dorothy Gertrude. The three children were born 1909, 1913 and 1916 respectively. I then decided to look for a marriage for an Agnes Gertrude and found a marriage in 3Q 1906 to an Albert Richard Betteridge. Both of these marriages were Romsey. If this is the correct marriage for Agnes, she had two more children Rideley and Hartley. At this point it was decided to send for Dorothy Gertrude's birth certificate and what a shock when it arrived. She was born in The Gardens, Romsey (the Workhouse) Romsey on 25 September 1906 - mother Agnes Elcock and NO FATHER !! Obviously Dorothy was illegitimate so no chance of finding the father BUT the Agnes/Betteridge marriage was July/August/September 1906. I am wondering if Agnes gave birth, came straight out of the workhouse and her mother took over so that she could marry ??? I had more or less come to accept that this was probably the case but can't be sure. However, my next step was to look at William Frederick's military records (he was killed 1917). There on his papers were details of his children, the fact that his wife remarried, his kith and kin - mother and four sisters - but sister Agnes Gertrude referred to as GERTRUDE CLAYTON. It looked like she too had remarried and was known by her second name. This was understandable as her mother was also Agnes.. I tried to find a marriage of an Agnes Betteridge to ? Clayton between 1911 and 1919 - nothing. I then tried Gertrude Betteridge to Clayton. No joy. On the off-chance I also tried the same combination using Elcock. Nothing. Apart from her birth certificate and her appearance on 1911 census, I can find no reference - marriage/death for Dorothy. Any ideas what else I can do to solve these two problems? The area concerned is Romsey, Hampshire area. I would welcome any thoughts/ideas you may have. Thanks.