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Thanks for the information. I'm not on ancestry but that tree is definitely the same one. Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do you find out about prison records? This has me intrigued. Also the Thomas K Winkle could possibly fit in somewhere. I have an extremely complicated family tree due to Ethel May Winkle keep changing her name. This is possibly her son or it has been rumoured in the family could have been Maria's. Thanks very much for your help I will check out this information.

The children that tempest found plus William Arthur total 7 children.

This matches the 7 children born to Mary in Prison with William Arthur being the one who died???

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Any connection???
Deaths Sep 1909 (>99%)
WINKLE William Arthur 0 Stoke T. 6b 92

there's a tree on ancestry that gives the children of William Joseph Winkle 1870 and Mary Oakes 1878

Eleanor Josephine Winkle 1898
Ethel May Winkle 1895
Frederick William Winkle 1897 – 1897
William Victor J. O. Winkle 1899
Douglas Harold Winkle 1902
Percy Winkle 1908

Deaths Sep 1924 (>99%)
Winkle Percy 16 Northwich 8a 270

There are 3 other members who have Percy Winkle, 1908, in their trees.

You could make contact with them to see if you have a connection?

Use Search Trees tab above.

IF that is Mary/Maria in 1911 census, could Percy, born in Northwich be a possibility???????????



HARRISON, George Head Married M 39 1872 Bricklayer Labourer Over Cheshire VIEW
HARRISON, Martha E Wife Married 16 years F 37 1874 Boading House Keeper Middlewich Cheshire VIEW
HOUGH, Enoch Stepson Single M 17 1894 Labourer Bricklayer Northwich Cheshire VIEW
HARRISON, George Son Single M 15 1896 Apprentice Bricklayer Moulton Cheshire VIEW
HARRISON, Maud Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Nuneaton Warwickshire VIEW
WINKLE, Percy Adopted Son M 3 1908 Northwich Cheshire VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 25512
Reference: RG14PN25512 RG78PN1460 RD479 SD2 ED3 SN409
Registration District: Lancaster Sub District: Heaton
Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Poulton, Bare and Torrisholme
Address: 16 Cedar Street Morecambe County: Lancashire

It would all depend on when she went to Prison????

Births Jun 1870 (>99%)
Winkle William Joseph Stoke T. 6b 227

Their marriage?

Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%)
Oakes Mary Northwich 8a 441
Winkle William Joseph Northwich 8a 441


Based on the fact that by 1911 they had been married for 16-17 years, could this be Mary/Maria in the 1911 census???????


WINKLE, Mary Prisoner Married
16 years F 36 1875 Manageress - Cafe Cheshire Winsford VIEW

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RG number: RG14 Piece: 25555
Reference: RG14PN25555 RD479 SD3 ED34 SN9999
Registration District: Lancaster Sub District: Lancaster
Enumeration District: 34 Parish: Lancaster
Address: Lancaster County: Lancashire
Institution: H M Prison Lancaster Castle, H.M. PRISON, LANCASTER CASTLE

Original census states 7 children, 1 died

Her place of birth matches that of some of the Oakes family found by Pollypocket in 1911 census?

any idea if this person is related?

BMD Search result details Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: WINKLE, Thomas K
Registration District: Lancaster
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Oakes
Volume No: 8E
Page No: 900

There is a William and Mary Winkle living in County Cork on the irish 1911 census but they and their children are all down as born in Cork.
There is a young boy also living with a McCarthy family in Cork down as nephew born in Woolwich.??
Betty.

William J Winkle was 27 on the 1901 census, he then disappears, I don't know where else to look to try and find him, same with Maria. Thanks for the extra information on the death of his son William V, it is much appreciated.

death of son william v

Name William V J O Winkle
Year of Registration 1963
Quarter of Registration Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Northwich
Registration County Cheshire
Age at Death: 63
Volume Number 10A
Volume Page 439

William J Winkle born 1874 Hanley Staffs, Maria Winkle born 1878, (her name at birth was Mary but changed it to Maria after she married) Northwich Cheshire, the 1901 census is the last record I have off them.

John Oakes is the brother in law of who I am looking for. I am trying to find William J and Maria Winkle, they lived at 61 Witton St, Northwich on 1901 census, then they suddenly disappear, and I'm sure they're not still alive, lol!

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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about William Winkle
Name: William Winkle
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1949
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Stoke On Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 515

possible for ethel

1911 census
Household information
Address 225 Moss Lane East Greenheys
Parish South Manchester
Town East Greenheys
Type of Building Shop and House
Number of Rooms Seven
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN23920 RG78PN1380B RD464 SD4 ED55 SN40
Administrative County Lancashire
Registration District Chorlton
Registration Sub District Hulme
Enumeration District 55

Householder 1
Name Walter Rose
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Occupation Shopkeeper
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Industry Millinery
Place of Birth Dinting Derbyshire

Householder 2
Name Ellen Rose
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married / 16 Years
Total Children Born Alive 6
Children Still Living 5
Children Who Have Died 1
Gender F
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Occupation Milliner
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Place of Birth Hanley Staffs

Householder 3
Name Leonard Rose
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1896
Occupation Solicitors Office Boy
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Levenshulme M/c

Householder 4
Name Doris Rose
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1898
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Levenshulme M/c

Householder 5
Name Edgar Rose
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1900
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Levenshulme M/c

Householder 6
Name Ethel Rose
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Rusholme M/c
Householder 7
Name Edna Rose
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter

Gender F
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1908
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Moss Side M/c

Householder 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Name Ethel Winkle
Relationship to Head of Household Niece
Gender F
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1896
Occupation Out Of Employment
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Northwick

Householder 9
Name Geraldine Rogers
Relationship to Head of Household Assistant
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender F
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1888
Occupation Assistant Saleswoman
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Millinery
Place of Birth Ardwick M/c

Householder 10
Name Mary Hallows
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender F
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1888
Occupation Domestic Servant
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Runcorn

possible

1911 census
Household information
Address 10 Primrose Hill
Parish Lostock Gralam
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 5
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN21685 RG78PN1291 RD447 SD2 ED19 SN348
Administrative County Cheshire
Registration District Northwich
Registration Sub District Northwich
Enumeration District 19

Householder 1
Name John Oakes
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 59
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Occupation Salt Works Foreman Retired
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Salt Manfrs
Place of Birth Winsford Cheshire

Householder 2
Name Ann Oakes
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married / 39 Years
Total Children Born Alive 9
Children Still Living 9
Gender F
Age 63
Estimated Year of Birth 1848
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Winsford Cheshire

Householder 3
Name Harry Oakes
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 34
Estimated Year of Birth 1877
Occupation Boiler Riviter
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Alkali Manft
Place of Birth Winsford Cheshire

Householder 4
Name Fred Oakes
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Occupation Timekeeper Chemical Wks
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Alkali Manft
Place of Birth Winsford Cheshire

Householder 5
Name Frank Oakes
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1889
Occupation Joiner
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Flour Miller
Place of Birth Middlewich Cheshire

Householder 6
Name Sarah Elizabeth Oakes
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender F
Age 25
Estimated Year of Birth 1886
Employed N
Working at Home Y
Place of Birth Middlewich Cheshire

Householder 7
Name John Oakes Winkle
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Gender M
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1900
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Northwich Cheshire

Householder 8
Name Elanor Josephine Winkle
Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter
Gender F
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1899
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Northwich Cheshire

Please can anyone offer any help to point me in the right direction. I have details of my ancestors on the 1901 census in Northwich, Cheshire, I've tried to find them on the 1911 census, but no record of them, looked on death records, again no record, looked on passenger ships leaving again no record. Their names are William J Winkle and Maria Winkle. Where else could I possibly find them?