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Norah 1911??

GUEST, Ernest Albert Head Married M 28 1883 Self Act Minder Cotton Waste Lancs Bolton VIEW
GUEST, Jane Wife Married
3 years F 24 1887 Lancs Bolton VIEW
GUEST, Christina Daughter F 2 1909 Lancs Bolton VIEW
GUEST, Eleanor Daughter F 1 1910 Lancs Bolton VIEW
REGAN, Norah Sister In Law Single F 15 1896 Lapper On For Dubbling Frames Lancs Bolton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23360 Reference:
RG14PN23360 RG78PN1363 RD461 SD5 ED11 SN124

Registration District:
Bolton Sub District:
Tonge Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Bolton

Address:
59 Baxendale ST County:
Lancashire

Hi Sue,

I don't have the death cert for the mother, just for the daughter. They are both on the index as Christina, rather than Christiana.

Oops, said she died in October but it was September.....

Died aged 21 months on the 10th September 1899 at 12 Railway Street, Stockport. Daughter of John Regan an Earthenware Hawker. Bronchitis 3 months certified. Informant Elizabeth Rowles, Great Aunt, present at the death.

Thank you Brummiejan.

Jane was my grandmother born 1886 in Bury. Norah was her youngest surviving sibling.

They also had at least 3 brothers......
Joseph b1890 in Bolton.
Richard bc 1893, not sure where because I've never found his birth reg either, just his baptism in 1893 in Bolton and a death in 1896.
The third brother's name is unknown.

This looks to be Elizabeth Rowles in the 1901 cenus.....I was hoping we might find the Regan family with her but alas not!

Name: Elizabeth Rowles
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Knowle, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Stockport
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Heaton Norris
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Piece: 3287
Folio: 169
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Rowles 56 widow occ Earthenware Hawker (own account)
Isaac Rowles 29
Sarah G Rowles 22
Betty Rowles 18

Address: 12 Railway Street

John & Joseph 1911

LEE, Thomas Head Married M 30 1881 China Dealer Bury Lanc VIEW
LEE, Sarah Ann Wife Married
8 years F 31 1880 Assisting In Business Atherton Lanc VIEW
REGAN, John Boarder Widower M 51 1860 China Dealer Bury Lanc VIEW
REGAN, Joseph Boarder Single M 19 1892 China Dealer Bolton Lanc VIEW
HALT, Henry Visitor M 2 1909 Dewsbury York VIEW
HALT, Edwin Visitor M 4 1907 Bury Lanc VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23518 Reference:
RG14PN23518 RG78PN1371 RD462 SD5 ED7 SN249

Registration District:
Bury Sub District:
South Bury Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Bury

Address:
4 Back Hill Street Bury Lancashire County:
Lancashire

John a widower is in a lodging house in Preston in 1901 but the children are not with him.

Thank you Londonbelle.

Elizabeth Rowles was the sister of Christiana mother, Jane Highland (Hireland, Hyland, Ireland, Island), nee Hibbs (Ibbs).

Jane is in Bury in 1901 (under the name Ireland) with several of her grandchildren, but the Regans are not with them. She was born in Hanley, Staffordshire but her pob changes with every census.

Have you got this Baptism for Jane Regan daughter of John and Christiana ,,,,

Baptisms: 29 Dec 1886 St John, Bury, Lancashire, England
Jane Regan - Child of John Regan & Christiana
Born: 15 Dec 1886
Abode: 17 Banbury St
Occupation: Auctioneer
Baptised by: R. Hudson
Register: Baptisms 1879 - 1906, Page 118, Entry 943
Source: LDS Film 2113008

Thank you Brummiejan.

That does look like John & Joseph in1911. When my grandmother, Jane, married in 1907 she gave her father's name as John, occupation China Dealer, but said he was deceased!!

Thank you Astra.

That does look the most likely entry for John in 1901....but I wonder why he was in Preston and what he did with the rest of his children.

I think from their occupations that they were Travellers/Gypsies/Romanies (I found a brother of Christiana Highland living in a caravan at a fairground in 1891) so I suppose the other children may have all been separated about through their extended family.

Thank you Sue.

No, I haven't seen Jane's baptism record before. It must have been added recently. Thank you so much for finding it for me.

LOL! From Hawker, to China Dealer, to Auctioneer. Do you think John had delusions of grandeur?

Looks like Richards birth details...

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
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Regan Richard Bury 8c 594

Thanks Sue.

I also thought that might be Richard, but he was baptised in 1893 and aged 3 at death in 1896.

Unless his birth registration was delayed. Could a child have been registered 2 years after birth?

It's more likely that the parents got the wrong age for him when he died.

Christine is it possible that Norah was born in Stockport because I have found a Norah Regan born 1894,,,

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Birth


Name: REGAN, Norah
Registration District: Stockport
County: Cheshire
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 8A
Page No: 86

It's a possibilty....

Possible Marriage for Norah..

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder™: Norah Regan married Henry Bradshaw

Name: REGAN, Norah
Registration District: Bolton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1919
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Bradshaw
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 558

Name: BRADSHAW, Henry
Registration District: Bolton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1919
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Regan
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 558

Thank you Sue.

I don't think the birth is her in Stockport. Looks like that Norah died as a 1yr old..........

Deaths Mar 1895 (>99%)
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Regan Norah 1 Stockport 8a 68


But the marriage is spot on thank you. She gave her age as 23, which is consistant with her age in 1911, and her supposed birth date of November 1895.

Thank you so much for searching for me. I really appreciate it.

So you have Norah's Marriage cert....????

Is it possible that she was registered in another christian name and her parents called her Norah...???

Yes, I have a copy of Norah's marriage cert, and I know she celebrated her 80th birthday in November 1975. In later life she dropped the h and used the name Nora.

As to being registered under another name, I just don't know, Sue.

There are only 3 male Regans registered in 4th 1/4 1895 and a Bertha Regan registered in 1st 1/4 1896, in Bolton.

Looking at the death index, all 4 had died by the end of 1897.

I suppose she may have been born elsewhere, but I think I've checked out all the other Norah Regans.

I'm beginning to suspect that she wasn't their child after all. The family appear to have lived in Bolton from 1890 to 1899.

Their other children seem to have been baptised soon after birth, but not Norah. She must have been aged around 2yrs old when she was baptised.

The parents married in 1895, in Bury, Lancashire, Flick............

Married on the 23rd February 1885 at Bury Register Office.
John Regan age 25 years Bachelor, China Dealer, 24 Georgiana Street, Bury. Father Michael Regan, China Dealer.
Christaina Highland age 26 years Spinster, no occupation, 14 Bambury Street, Bury. Father Isaac Highland (deceased) Horse Dealer.
Witnessed by Richard Beech & Esther Bailey

Children are......
Jane b1886 in Bury.
Joseph b1890 in Bolton
Richard bc 1893 (no birth reg. Info from baptism & death reg.)
Unknown male b1891 - 1899. (Nothing known about him. Norah's daughter, recently deceased, remembered her mother's two brothers visiting when she was a young child, but couldn't remember their names).
Norah b1895 (no birth reg. Info from baptism, marriage cert., 1911 census and her daughter).
Christiana b1897 - d1899.

So on the 1901 census there should be the children Jane age 14, Joseph age 10, Unknown male age 2-9 and Norah age 5.