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hi

i am completely stuck on a relative in the 1911 census

samuel harry waller born 1882 in fulham
mabel waller(nee cload) born 1883 wales and their son
herbert harry waller bort 1903 in fulham

i cant find them at all on census

any ideas?

Marriage,

1902 camberwell London april quarter
Mabel Cload / Samuel Waller
Flo

yes florence thats them just no sign in 1911 strange

Sorry I can't see a sign either. Did they have more children?

Hi, I once had a similar problem, could not find someone on 1871 census on GR but found him on Ancestry. On GR his first name had been mistranscribed , which threw me at first,but all the family members were there.
Give another site a try or try to search on one of this family.

It might work.
good luck. M

I think they may be under WALTER in Wolstanton, Staffordshire.
Sorry, I don't have full access to 1911, but think this child is with Mabel and Herbert

Births Mar 1908

Waller Charles George G ..Woolwich 1d 1270

Gwyn

Found this on 1891

SAmuel Waller b 1848 age 43 Peckham Undertaker
Emma wife b 1849 age 42 Little port cambridgeshire
SAmuel H SON B 1881 AGE 10 Paddington
Lenny S son b 1886 age 5 Peckham
Elizabeth Barber b 1865 age 26 Brighto sussex servant Dom

18 Gibbon rd CAmberwell Under takers shop

Flo

Good find Gwyn - Mabel is Waller on the image

1911

BEESLEY, Charles Head Married M 38 1873 Inspector Poulty To Animals Charney Wantage Berk VIEW
BEESLEY, Mabel Visitor Married F 30 1881 Cumpton Wales VIEW
WALTER, Herbert Visitor M 7 1904 Fulham London VIEW
WALTER, Charles George Gordon Visitor M 3 1908 Woolwich London VIEW
BEESLEY, William Beresford Son M 1 1910 Stoke on Trent VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16445 Reference:
RG14PN16445 RG78PN1019 RD360 SD1 ED7 SN157

Registration District:
Wolstanton Sub District:
Wolstanton Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Wolstanton

Address:
15 Adams St May Bank Wolstanton County:
Staffordshire

In 1881

Samuel H WAller b 1848 Old kent rd surrey coffin maker
Emma M WIFE B 1842 CAMBRIDGESHIRE
Samuel H son b 1881 Marlebone

43 church st Marlebone
son
Birth of Samuel H WAller 1880 Marlebone London

Flo

re K's message above...i have a james beesley mentioned while doing my family tree...he was a witness when my gt gran,Catharine Mahon m. my gt g/dad,John Stockton. we didnt know if Johns mother Mary,married William Stockton(b. 1839>wolstanton)and then married a Beesley,as i found a marriage for Mary Stockton to James Beesley. wolstanton. june 1869! on the 1891 census Mary Beesley down as mother>widowed. do you recognize any of these names louise?

One of these might be Samuel in 1911 ..... but I don't have access to the actual transcript or image


HOUSEHOLD WALKER HAROLD SAMUEL M 1883 28 Fulham London

HOUSEHOLD WALTERS HENRY SAMUEL M 1883 28 Westminster London

HOUSEHOLD WALLER SAMUEL F 1883 28 Hackney London



sylvia

Syvia

Sadly none of the above are the right Samuel. The Samuel in Hackney is actually mistranscribed and is a daughter called Susannah!!

Kay

pity Kay!


Thanks for looking


How about these 2?

HOUSEHOLD WELLER MR SAMUEL M 1884 27 Camberwell London

HOUSEHOLD WELLER SAMUEL M 1883 28 St Marylebone London




sylvia

Sorry - no. I have worked through 77 pages of options and gave up in the end and rechecked his marriage cert. He married as Harry Samuel Waller and had the occupation as an undertaker - the same as his father's occupation.

I have to give up now and go to work, but didn't find any joy using his occupation

Good Luck Kay

Name: Mabel Cload
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Spouse Name: Harry Samuel Waller
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 14 Jun 1902
Parish: St Giles, Camberwell
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Cload
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Henry Waller

Sylvia,

The first one is the single son of Sarah Weller, Widow

The second one is married to Maud and born in Ireland

Name: Samuel Harry Waller
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880
Baptism Date: 8 Aug 1880
Father's name: Samuel Henry Waller (Undertaker)
Mother's name: Emma M Waller
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bryanston Square St Mary
Borough: Westminster

(birthdate given, 18th July 1880)


1911 (not with In laws)

CLOAD, John Head Married M 72 1839 Pensioned Horse Foreman Wellington Somerset
CLOAD, Susan Wife Married
44 years F 66 1845 Wellington Somerset
CLOAD, Dora Daughter Single F 26 1885 No Occupation Cwmavon S Wales

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6652 Reference:
RG14PN6652 RG78PN330 RD123 SD1 ED15 SN290

Registration District:
Maidenhead Sub District:
Maidenhead Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
Maidenhead

Address:
43 Penyston Road Maidenhead


Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%) (Father, Samuel?)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Waller Samuel Henry 56 Epping 4a 22


Chris :)

thanks all

sorry i didnt get back here last noght a screaming 2 yr old kept me away. its very strange. i wonder chris if that was him who passed away?

ill keep lookin :-)

Louise, the death in 1903, if that's the one you mean, is definitely Sr. -- aged 56 in 1903.

There are no Waller births with mother Cload after 1911 -- I was hoping to be able to place them geographically around 1911.

Do you know for sure that they remained in the UK?

I can't find deaths that match them (including in WWI for Samuel), or births of children, etc.

Emigrated? No passenger records with those given names, and matching up with (or without) initials would be pretty impossible ...


Name: Herbert H Waller
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1968
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 189

Name: Herbert H Waller
Spouse: Elsie C Surman
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1928
Registration district: Birmingham South
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 128

?

... but then you knew that since you have Elsie Surman in your tree, so you knew that son Herbert at least settled in that area ...


Charles Beesley and Mabel Waller are both "married" on the 1911. There is a one-year-old child in the household. Theirs?

Births Jun 1910
BEESLEY William Beresford Stoke T 6b 222

Might be worth checking the birth certificate.


Name: Mabel Beesley
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1942
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 488

So it seems Samuel was permanently out of the family picture by 1911.

In fact, I would venture to guess that Charles George Gordon Waller was actually a Beesley.

Name: Charles George G W Beesley -- W = Waller
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1907
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1982
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Darlington
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 1
Page: 0878

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Waller Lenny Sydney Camberwell 1d 923



Deaths Dec 1904 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WALLER Lenny Sidney 18 Dartford 2a 350


Thought I would look and see where brother Lenny was on 1911, if he gave a clue!, but came across his death, seems it was a very sad time...But still no sign of anything on Samuel...

Chris :)

I went looking for this thread because of a Beesley post on the Living Relatives board, wondering whether there might be a connection. (Seems not.)

I note that Louise must have had a very fretful 2-yr-old, not to have returned for two days to see the further info here ...