Genealogy Chat

My grandparents were married in Scarborough, North Yorkshire in 1908 and I am trying to find out when/how they moved to Chantilly. Grandpa was a farrier for the Rothschilds in Chantilly. My Aunt Violet Tindale was born in Chantilly in 1908/09 and my father, Reginald Tindale on 5 April 1910. I have emailed the Mayor's Office in Chantilly but have not received a reply. What I would like to know is when Grandpa first moved to France and when they returned to Scarborough - this was prior to 1934. He also served in the 1914/18 war but cannot trace which British regiment he was with - would he have volunteered?
Jacqueline

Could you give the grandparent's names please? It might be possible to find them on outgoing or homeward passenger lists. Scrub that idea - they'd have probably travelled by ferry and there doesn't seem to be lists for those.

Reginald and Violet don't appear to be on the 1911, suggesting they were elsewhere - possibly France?

Do the Rothchilds still have an Estate in Chantilly? Might their Archivist hold records?

As for the grandfather serving in WW1 - he could either have volunteered, or been drafted after 1915. A large percentage of the military records were burned in WW2 bombing, but with his name, it may be possible to find him listed on the Medal Rolls held by Ancestry. People can look for you if you don't have a sub.

Not much of a mystery as to when they emigrated - they married 1908 and the first child born Chantilly 1908/9!

Is this the marriage??

Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
BROWN George William Scarbro' 9d 533
JEFFERSON Mildred Amy Scarbro' 9d 533
Lancaster Lena Scarbro' 9d 533
TINDALL John Scarbro' 9d 533

Can I just ask how you know he was here 1934?

Context

Administrative/Biographical history:

The Bishop of London was held to exercise responsibility for Anglican churches overseas where no other bishop had been appointed. He retained responsibility for churches in northern and central Europe until 1980, but his jurisdiction in southern Europe ceased in 1842 on the creation of the diocese of Gibraltar. In 1980, the Bishop of London divested himself of all overseas jurisdiction and a new diocese of 'Gibraltar in Europe' was established.

An English-speaking community first grew at Chantilly, France, from the 1830s and 1840s. The site of the church was purchased from the Duc d'Aumale by the Commonwealth and Continental Church Society, and the foundation stone was laid in 1865.
Content

Scope and content/abstract:

Records of Saint Peter's Anglican Church, Chantilly, France, including registers of baptisms, marriages and burials; preachers' books; deeds; minute books; financial accounts; correspondence; and papers relating to charitable fundraising.

THESE RECORDS ARE SUBJECT TO A 30 YEAR CLOSURE PERIOD.

Reference code(s) : GB 0074 CLC/397
Held at : London Metropolitan Archives - click here to see details of the physical location of collection
Full title : SAINT PETER'S CHURCH, CHANTILLY
Date(s) : 1854-1977
Level of description : Collection
Extent : 68 production units.
Name of creator(s) : St Peter's Anglican Church | Chantilly, France

Have you looked here?

http://www.tbheritage.com/Breeders/FR/Rothschild/Rothschild2.html

The site mentions the Rothchild's Archive which I'm sure may hold info on your grandparents

Grandparents names were John and Lena Tindale and I wondered if Grandpa had worked in France prior to marrying in Scarborough in 1908. Reginald and Violet were both born in Chantilly, 1910 and 1908/9 respectively. Violet was 19 when she died in 1928 in Scarborough whilst on holiday. Grandpa worked as a farrier for the Baron Gustave de Rothschild whose address was 23 Avenue Mariony. Would like to know when he first left the UK and then returned to live in UK.
How does the French Census record system work as this might give a clue as to when my grandparents were actually in France. I do have a post card written from a racing colleague in France to my grandparents in Scarborough in 1930 (not 1934). Have contacted both the Rothschilds and Newmarket Racing fraternity in UK but neither can help as records lost during the war. As I do not have details of Grandpa's regiment feel I cannot look up Medal roll? Thanks to you all for information.

you only need the man's name to look up the Medal Rolls on ancestry.co.uk

............................ it helps to have the rgimental nmber in the event that there are several men with same or similar names.




sylvia

If anyone can help re tracing John Tindale (Tindall) on Medal rolls would be a help as then I should be able to trace his regiment? His d.o.b is 26 October 1881 in Sheriff Hutton Yorkshire. Thanks

I now know that my grandfather John Tindale was in the Army Veterinary Corps - his Regtl. no SE/33549 during the 1914-18 and was awarded the Victory and British medals. The roll number is RAVC/101 B.16 Page 839
I would like to know if anyone could find out when/where he joined up.
Julibee

Julibee

Only about 30% of the records of WW1 servicemen survived WW2 ......... and most of the ones that did survive are damaged.


so one is extremely lucky to find a record for an ancestor.

All the records are now on ancestry.

If it cannot be found on ancestry, then the record did not survive WW2.



sylvia

I do not see a John Tindale who could be your Grandfather in the ancestry records.



sylvia

Thanks for that so it would appear that I should not ask someone to research for me at the National Archives if there is a likely hood his records were destroyed/damaged? I am unable to go to Kew myself. I only have the WW1 Medal Rolls Index Card details printed from Ancestry records.
Julibee

You might be interested to see that your Tindale births are shown here!

http://www.geopatronyme.com/

Put Tindale in the search box and click "Valider".

2 TINDALE
sont nés en France
entre 1891 et 1915

2 Tindales were born in France between 1891 and 1915 (the only Tindale births 1891-1990.

They were born in the Oise Département -- shown on the map with the search results.

Thank you. The births were my Aunt Violet and my father Reginald. What I am trying to get to the bottom of is (1) when my grandfather John went to France in the first place to be farrier to the Baron Gustave Rothschild in Chantilly. He married my grandmother in Scarborough North Yorkshire in 1908 and (2) when and where did he enlist in the Army Veterinary Corps to serve in the 1914-18 war.
Julibee

Jubilee - it would appear that no one can currently help you with further information.

To recap

Rothchilds records lost
Racing records lost
WW1 full service records not survived - at least you have the medal roll information.

The only thing for certain is that your grandparents were in the UK to marry, and in France for the birth of Violet.

Sometimes we all have to face up to a brick wall. May be in years to come, new records will surface.............and you are still waiting to hear back from the Mayor's office. :-0

However, since there is obviously a record of the children's births in France, the record of the first birth could narrow the timeframe (unless you already have that date).

I had just thought it was kind of fun that your two births showed up as unique in French birth records.

Ancestry has Oise births to 1907:

http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1579

"About Oise, France, Births & Christenings, 1600-1907

This database contains information extracted from birth records for parishes and communities in the department of Oise, France covering the years 1600-1907. The information was compiled by the French genealogical association Généalogie 60."

Check back from time to time and it should move up to 1908 and then 1909, presumably yearly, as I assume there is a privacy cutoff in operation there.

Do you know whom Violet married and when she died? Her death record, if after 1969, should have an exact date of birth. (Reginald's does.)

As brummiejan says ... there's a pretty narrow timeframe already known for their emigration. ;)

Violet died in 1928 JC ..........Not that I can see a death, unless she was married?

jax

edit - must be this one

Name: Violet Tindall
Birth Date: abt 1909
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Scarborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 379

Ah, I git it -- that's where the 1908/9 came from. ;-)

Thanks again all. Yes my aunt Violet died when she was only 19 on 22 Sept. 1928 in Scarborough while she was staying with my paternal G.Grandparents. I have a copy of the death cert.
It looks like I have hit a brick wall re. Rothschilds/Racing records/WW1 having been destroyed. Still no reply from the Mayor's office in Chantilly but have contacted St. Peter's Church in Chantilly just in case they can help in any way! Is there an address for the French Genealogical Society? :-) Julibee