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I can only find this birth for a possible Ada M(argaret) Alderson who would have been 39 on 13 Oct 1952:

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Alderson Ada M Pattison Reeth 9d 1331

If that is the one who married John A Jones, whose father was Alfred Thomas Alderson, then I cannot find a marriage of such a man to a woman with the surname Pattison.

This is the only suitable marriage of an Alderson to a Pattison, rather later than 1913.

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Alderson Harry F W Pattison Leeds 9b 804
Pattison Ivy E Alderson Leeds 9b 804

Kay is right, a death cert in 2002 should show date and place of birth and maiden name. I think you'll have to get it, just to be convinced I am wrong.

Margaret, I've just been re-reading all this, and towards the top of page 2 you say the informant of the death of your grandmother, Sarah Jane Thurlby in 1933 was Ada May Alderson, but a bit lower down you say it was A Powell. Which is correct?

Also, I looked again at your posting re the marriage to John A Jones in 1952 - you say it gives Ada Margaret Alderson otherwise Alderson - didn't you mean "otherwise Barker"? I wonder how she managed to convince the registrar that she was a spinster.

If its any use.

a 2002 English/Welsh death certificate will have ---if known.

date and place of birth, maiden name and if shes a widow of ?? some do name the man some dont,, plus his occupation.

o m g, M m !

Madmeg asked me to have a look and see what I thought, since I'm sometimes a good ferret. ;)

I haven't got anything like the time tonight (it's just after 10 here in my bit of Canada and I have work to finish and send in before I sleep) to read 7 pages ! of posts -- or probably anytime in the next few days.

So if I stick this here it will remind me to look back at it ... a while later ... and I'll have a think when I have two spare brain cells and 2 spare hours!

The comforting thing is that the death in Blackpool in 2002 is Ada May Jones. Not Ada Margaret.

So I am still of the belief that Ada May Jones who died in Blackpool is the Ada Margaret Alderson/Barker who married John A Jones in 1952.

I can't possibly tell you to spend another £9.25 that might not be right, but if it were me, and I wasn't eating up the kids' spending money, I would send for that death cert. It would at least tell us that all my suppositions were rubbish, and I will grovel forever. I'm so sorry the other certs didn't bring any proof, but I still feel it is the right person.

PLEASE can anyone else tell Margaret I am possibly right? I don't feel comfortable being out on a limb with all this.

Meg

Madmeg/Margaret

I have just popped into this one. I was just having a look for Ada May dob which is very elusive. Gateshead as you rmay know is not near to Durham although it was in Co Durham. Now goodness knows where Tyne and Wear, Sth Tyneside.

I have had a look at Durham bmds which are on line and loojked for Branston Brankston without any luck.too

Going to read what you have done so far looks like a lot of work..

Vera

The only birth suitable for Ada is the one found by Rutland Belle, March Qtr 1910 in Gateshead, Co Durhand. No middle name.

But that child would not be under 9 months on the 1911 census. Under 12 months, yes. Maybe somebody miscalculated. But there is an Ada Alderson with a different family in Durham who fits the bill for the one born March 1910.

I tried looking for Ada Brankston or Branston, no luck.

I am thwarted with the birth - does anybody agree?

So let's look at the Ada Margaret Powell who married Fred Barker in 1941. She gives her father as Alfred. If this is "our" Margaret, her first husband was Alfred Thomas Powell. I am guessing that she never knew who her real father was. There are no other children called Powell, with mother's maiden name Alderson, after the date of adding mothers maiden name Alderson - 1913? So maybe Ada Margaret (she might not have remembered she was called Ada May, or made up Margaret) just said she was a spinster, and also made up a father Alfred, as per her first husband's name. And she said he was deceased when he wasn't. Or maybe he was, she didn't know.

The age when this Ada Margaret married Fred Barker is pretty spot on to be Ada May (30). Though she says she is a spinster. Well, her first husband wasn't dead so she may have lied. However, there is no Ada May or Ada Margaret Powell born in the North, an odd Ada M, in Liverpool.

On her next marriage to John A Jones, when both names are recorded - both Alderson and Barker, she names her father as Alfred Thomas, a market gardener. Not deceased. Her age then is 39, a little low, but not significant. And she has lied again about her father, He was Alfred, yes, but he first husband was Alfred too.

Sorry Margaret, but I still feel I have the right lady. Even though her middle name is now Margaret not May.

Peeps, I don't know how to prove I am right, but I think I am. I don't think there is any proof possible. Suggestions please. I hate making assumptions, but sometimes you have to do so.

Margaret

Hi Margaret

The death cert will tell you nothing right now. It won't tell you where she was born. It will only tell you where she died, who her husband was, and who registered the death.

EDIT - I was forgetting it was 2002 - thanks Kay - my brain had knocked 100 years off! Yes, it should show place of birth, maiden surname of a woman who has married, and the "qualification" of the informant, e.g. husband.

So don't spend any more money yet.

EDIT - I'm afraid I would risk another certificate

I am going to have to sit down and think about all this, I was so convinced I was right, I am most upset about the outcome. I'm still not convinced I'm wrong, but proving it might be impossible.

Meg

Hello Corrinne

My mother Ada May Alderson was born in Lanchester. Co.Durham
On the 1911 census Ada May is listed as under 8 months with her mum Sarah Jane Alderson at the home of her grandparents.she married my father in Bradford Yorkshire 1927 they separated around 1938/40.

I thank you for your help but feel you have not read previous pages from the other helpers

Many Thanks
Margaret

Hi Margaret.
please can you just clarify where/what county do you think your mum was born in? is it blackpool or durham? or somewhere else?
Thanks

Hello Madmeg

I have not sent for the death certificate of Ada May Jones.... yet.
Born July 1910 and died in Blackpool........2002.

What would this tell me.... I know it would or should tell me where she was born but what would other information would I gain.

Speak again to the novice
Margaret.

Thank you corrinne...................for your interest and birth registration.

I can see where you are looking but I know my mother was born

Ada May Alderson her parents where Sarah Jane Alderson nee Brankston/Branston and Thomas William Alderson. My mother stayed in touch with her mother and reported her death in 1933.

I also sent for a death certificate for Ada May Donaldson as I thought it sounded like Alderson.

Thanks again. Please keep looking.
Margaret,

This is a long shot, have you considered this birth registration

Births Dec 1910
ATHERTON Ada Liverpool 8b 101

The surname is similar to Alderson!


or could Ada have been adopted into this family and taken on the surname Alderson but wasn,t born as one!

On the 1911 census Thomas William Alderson is listed living / spending the night with his parents William and Mary Alderson. Address 3 Bowden Yard. Willington.Durham. I have Thomas William and Sarah Jane Alderson's
marriage certificate 16/10/1909 at The Registry Office.Auckland. Durham.
Thomas william Alderson was born 16/2/1888 at Stanley Colliery. Crook.Durham. I have his birth Certificate.
I have my parents marriage certificate 23/7/1927in Bradford.

The Liverpool Death Certificate Ada May Powell gives Ada May's birth as
August 1910 Foxtell park. Liverpool Died 1974 The death was registered by Ada's husband Albert Powell. so Ada was born and died in Liverpool.

I have looked at Ada's signature on her marriage certificate to my father
which is signed Ada May Alderson. the other signature's of Jones and Barker are A.M Barker and Jones. the M is similar but of course Ada is older.

Margaret.

So what seems to be wrong, Margaret, is father's name and Ada's age. Ada's age could have been tweaked to fit the circumstances (e.g not older than husband) and father's name could have been forgotten, as in 1911 at one year old, she is with grandparents. She has never been found on a census with her father Thomas Alderson, as she stated on her marriage to Alfred Thomas Powell. She might have made up his name, remembering that he was Thomas something, when actually he was Thomas William. Maybe he wasn't known by his first name at all.

On the death I found, she was born 17 July 1910. This might be right or wrong, depending on the knowledge of the person giving the information.

I'm trying to think of all the excuses I can for getting it wrong. Please do let us have the info from the certs that you have.

Meg

Hell0 to all my helpers. These are the certificates you requested.
Wetherby 29th.Dec'1941 Fred Barker -30 -bachelor- Royal engineers -
residence -High Street-Wetherby-fathers name Fred Barker-deceased.
Ada Margaret Powell-30-spinster-machine operator-
residence Stanhope Hotel-Rodley-Leeds.Father Alfred Powell-Deceased.
Witness. Margaret Kavanagh.- G A Marsh.

Blackpool. 13-10-52 John Arthur Jones. Age 39-formerly the husband of
Eileen Mary James. Process Worker, Atomic Factory.Res'57.Topping St.
Blackpool. Father's name. Edmund Allen Jones-Rank Labourer.
Ada Margaret Alderson. otherwise Alderson.age 39-spinster- Cafe manageress.Residence 57 Topping Street. Blackpool.Father-Alfred Thomas Alderson. Deceased. Market Gardener.
Witness's G Murphy.- Alice Daykin.

Margaret I will read up on how to email you copy's.............
your talking to a novice at this end !!!!!!!!!!

Kind Regards Margaret.

I would be interested in the results as well if they can be posted on here thanks

Margaret, I am really sorry about all this disappointment. I was pretty sure I had a good audit trail going. Certain, in fact. So can I ask you to please give us the details of all these certificates - dates, places, names, ages,occupations, addresses, witnesses, of each certificate. In fact everything on those certificates.

I cannot believe I have been so wrong.

In fact, I will send you a pm and ask you to scan them in to my private email address. I am so angry with myself.

Best wishes

Margaret

Thankyou jansmith.

I appreciate that ................

Margaret

back to the searching then Margaret. will read through the pages again