Genealogy Chat

Hello All

How busy you all are..........

I don't know who the parents of John William Alderson ( Grandson ) are.

Both Certificates are ordered. Barker Wetherby was ordered Tuesday.
Ada May Jones Death Cert' was ordered today. Both by phone.............
so everything crossed. I shall be off site Friday... Manchester calling.. Nana needed .........

Corrinne


The death looks interesting..... Dec. 1916
Sarah Jane Alderson had 2 children, born to Joseph Thurlby before her marriage to him in 1918. Rachel born 1916 and John 1917.

Edit; The age is not correct . Thomas is shown as being 23 in 1911 ????

Thank you all. Can't wait for the certs. every thing crossed.

Margaret

I wonder .......who knows
Deaths Dec 1916
Alderson Thomas age 26 Middlesbro 9d 748
Middlesbrough and it is in the county of North Riding of Yorkshire. I think about 30ish miles from durham.

1911 census - household transcription
Address: 3 Bowden Yard Willington Durham
ALDERSON, William Head Married M 46 1865 Coal Miner Hewer New Shildon C Durham
ALDERSON, Mary Wife Married 26 years F 44 1867 Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 26 1885 General Servant Domestic Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Thomas William Son Married M 23 1888 Coal Miner Hewer Stanley Pit Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Florence Edith Daughter Single F 20 1891 General Servant Domestic Stanley Nr Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Margaret Louisa Daughter Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Brown Park Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Christaine Daughter Single F 14 1897 School Woodifield Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Hilda May Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Woodifield Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Ada Daughter Single F 8 1903 Woodifield Crook Cf Durham VIEW
ALDERSON, John William Grandson M 4 1907 Waterhouses Cf Durham

Margaret I need to ask you
Do you know who are the parents of john william alderson (grandson) in the above census

???Births Mar 1907
ALDERSON John William Gateshead 10a 994A

could he be a son of thomas william Alderson!

Hello Margaret.
Hurray!!!! great to see that you have the right Thomas William Alderson, I was a bit worried that you hadn,t as he is proving to be diffficult to find dead or alive after 1911.
Did you manage to order the death certificate for ada in blackpool?

I will now see if anything new comes to light but it is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Hello All

Sorry Thomas William Alderson was a miner. A Hewer, as in the 1911 census.

Margaret

Hello All


Thomas William Alderson was born 16th. February 1888.
19 Stanley Colliery. Crook. Co.Durham. Parents William and Mary Alderson

Thomas William Alderson and Sarah Jane Branston Married 16/10/1909
Address; 17 West Terrace. Billy Row. Crook. Co Durham.
This is the same address, as in the 1911 census for the Brankston/Branston family I.e Ada May was with her mother Sarah Jane at the home of her grandparents.

The 1911 census shows Thomas William as living/spending the night
At the home of his parents; William And Mary Alderson.
Address 3 Bowden Yard. Willington. Durham.

Thomas was 21 when he married Sarah Jane Branston; 23 when living at 3 Bowden Yard. Willington.

Many thanks
Margaret

this is the info of the above in 1911
ALDERSON, Thomas William Single ? 21 1890
born Bishop Auckland Durham

Dett 1st Bn Durham L Infantry Neemuch County:
Overseas military

Hi Madmeg, you maybe going potty but I am potty!!!
Hi Jooleh . I am glad that you have wondered about thomas william alderson too.

Ok I tried to think outside the box.However I am not too sure now. Due to there being so many pages please can I ask you magaret to again give the details of thomas william alderson who married sarah jane in 1909.

How old does it state thomas being, also where was he living/address at the time of his marriage and occupation.

Sorry to be nuisance ........and thankyou

I am going potty. What address at 3 Bowden Yard? Which marriage cert do you want to be there?

I feel a bit slow!

Meg

Corrinne, that crossed my mind too. I guess we will have to wait for Margaret to give us the address from the marriage cert. If his address is 3 Bowden yard then that clinches it.

What is the birth place of the 21 year old Thomas?

I looked at several WW1 records last week but none really matched the info that Margaret has given.

Julie

I wonder if this is connected from 1911 census

MILITARY ALDERSON THOMAS WILLIAM 1890 21 Overseas Military
I wonder if this is your grandfather

why ? newly weds with their first born were not living together! It is just a thought that maybe Thomas was overseas and t hat is why your grandmother was living with her parents. Just trying to look from a different angle. What do people think? I think this needs further investigation maybe he died overseas.

How sure are you that the 1911 census you have is your grandfather?

Hi Margaret I do hope you are a step closer to finding out the where abouts of your mother and I do hope fingers crossed that madmegs hunch is correct! we,ll see....

Changing the subject, still looking for the death registration of thomas william alderson, how sure are you that you have the right man, here are a few to choose from from bmd around 1888.

Births Mar 1888
ALDERSON Thomas William Auckland 10a 221

Births Jun 1888
ALDERSON Thomas William Teesdale 10a 269

Births Dec 1888
ALDERSON Thomas William Teesdale 10a 236

Births Jun 1889
Alderson Thomas William Auckland 10a 253

Births Sep 1889
Alderson Thomas William Auckland 10a 215


Births Dec 1889
Alderson Thomas William Darlington 10a 7


***** Births Mar 1890
Alderson Thomas William Lanchester 10a 331 ***** ??? this one


Births Dec 1892
Alderson Thomas William Auckland 10a 208

Thanks and still looking.... corrinne

Margaret, you've typed the email address wrongly:

[email protected]

I also notice in the copy email you sent me you have given Ada's name as Ada Margaret. Whilst this is the name she married John A Jones in, the death is recorded as Ada MAY Jones.

Well, that article from your niece ties up with my obscure thinking, cos the Fred Barker that Ada Margaret married was a cafe manager and lived in Baildon which is near Shipley, and Ada lived at the Stanhope Hotel (Rodley, not Ilkley, but not far away), and the Ada Margaret Barker/Alderson who married John A Jones in Blackpool was a cafe manageress. The place they lived is a Thai Restaurant now.

Can't wait for that death cert Margaret - their website says you can phone and pay by credit card:

01253 477 177

- and they'll send it out first class. There's an extra £1 for doing so.

Or you can order it online:

https://selfservice.blackpool.gov.uk/ebf/forms/registrars/

Copy and paste this into the browser bar at the top of this page.

Meg

Hello Corrinne

Yes I knew about the article in The Telegraph and Argus...........
Carol is my niece the daughter of my late sister Muriel.
Uncle Joe in South Africa is my brother and he visits each year.
Carole has searched for her grandmother for many years. Carole and I are in touch and with the help of another good friend Anne, we have been down a lot of roads, but we can't find the birth certificate or those missing links. I don't know anything about the guy in the cafe' in Shipley.
I think there is a lot of guess work in the article. I don't know anything about the link with Ilkley.and the birth date has never reveiled anything. We just don't know
Thomas William Alderson Born 1888 address on his birth certificate is 19 Stanley Colliery. Crook.1911 census states that Thomas was a hewer Stanley Colliery..We could not find anything about mining accidents regarding Thomas.

Regards
Margaret,

You are welcome Margaret. It's fascinating what can be found just by googling.

What about mining records? There's lots of information out there. Do you know which colliery your grandfather is likely to have worked at? I found some records relating to Thomas Alderson but not Thomas William.

Julie

Hi Margaret I presume you know about this article from - Friday, 25 August 2000 in the telegraph and agnus .

Can you help solve a family's wartime love mystery?
A WOMAN is appealing to Ilkley residents to help her trace the grandmother she has never seen.

Carol Holdsworth's maternal grandmother lost contact with her family

following an illicit war time love affair.

Mrs Holdsworth is hoping to piece together her family tree - and solve a

mystery which has haunted her family for years.

Mrs Holdsworth, of Bradford, has spent months searching for her long lost

relations.

She knows that her grandparents, Alfred Thomas Powell and Ada May Powell, nee Alderson, were married at on July 23, 1927, at Bradford Registry Office.

The couple had three children Muriel, Carol's mother, Joseph and Margaret.

Some time during the Second World War they separated and Ada left with another man who worked at Norman's Caf, in Shipley - leaving no trace.

Earlier this year, Carol managed to track down one of the grandparents' children, her Uncle Joseph, in South Africa - after a search of the world-wide web.

Mrs Holdsworth said: "He was really easy to find. It only took a few weeks. It is like when you see these television

programmes of people being reunited you wonder what you going to say."

They are now in regular contact by e-mail and Mr Powell was able to give her the next piece of the jigsaw, which could help her find her grandmother.

He believes that she worked in a public house, in Ilkley, some time in the 1940's.

It is thought the couple never divorced but it is possible that Mrs Powell remarried after the death of her estranged husband in 1950.

Mrs Powell did attempt to get in touch with her children after she left, through their school, but later had no further

contact. It is possible that Ada is still alive - and could even have another family. She was born on May 3, 1909 and she would be 91 years-of-age.

Mrs Holdsworth hopes that somebody in Ilkley will hold the key to her family mystery. She said: "Somebody might remember something. It would just be nice to know what happened to her.

"It is intriguing because we have never met her. It is not the closeness you want, it is wanting to know if she is still alive. It is the missing link."

Carol's uncle will be reunited with the family after more than 40 years when he travels to Bradford next month. Anyone with any information about Ada should contact Mrs Holdsworth on 01274 542201

Margaret sorry to hear that there was nothing relevant in the obituaries, worth a try though. What next? did you have any success locating any wills? are you in touch with uncle joseph in south africa from this article?

Thanks jooleh

For all your information and discription of the was memorial, such a lot of time spent on my behalf, for which I am most grateful. I will look on the web.
Regards
Margaret

Hello corrinne

I did find both my grandparents and my father obituaries in the Bradford
local paper and the acknowledgements, but nothing else........

Thanks again for all your help
Margaret

Hello Madmeg

I emailed Blackpool today to order the death certificate. but have had my email returned as a failure, being a novice I couldn't understand why.. I sent you a pm to pick your brains yet again...........

regards
Margaret

Hell0 jooleh

I am a member of the Alderson family history society. I joined four years ago.
and there are no matches to my Thomas William Alderson. I did find a second cousin we shared a g. grandfather, but couldn't help me in my search.But we have become great friends.

Jansmith.

What a good idea. Thanks to all Margaret