Genealogy Chat

I am assuming Jane that you did not see my post asking for your opinion on duplicate posts?

Ah, APC, we hardly knew ye. Under yer old name. Got it now!

"but you are allowed to post on another board regarding the same "family/names" if you are asking about advice or tips and not what you have already asked / received."

Gosh, you didn't perhaps ask the site management a leading question, and fail to disclose all the facts, did you?

Like, is it okay to ask on Tips:

"If i was to go to the parish in Marylebone, would they have a record of the marriage?"

and give a load of info about the person in question, when you have already had (or posted in) about 6 other threads about that person?

And then sit by while several people -- exactly as I have said in this thread will be the result -- do start doing searches about the person for you, and present you with information you already have, and NOT SAY anything about the other threads and the fact that you already have all that information? Oh, and then start violating who knows how many other rules when that is pointed out (for which you have been given a warning)?

Was that what you asked the site management, whether it's okay to do that?

I can copy it all out here, if you like ...

oooh I sense you don't seem to get along do you?

Goodnight Jane and Janey :)

"Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning Janey?"

Dunno, SRS. Did you want to discuss the topic here, or address something I said, or just discuss me? Should I have some idea what you're talking about?

I'm tired of cowardly badmouthing of other members, via the making up of things someone has allegedly said and the using of them to score some kind of points. That's pretty much what I was saying to Kay????, if that's what you're talking about.

You two squeezed in out of nowhere lol

Goodnight Tooty too.

Good night SRS

Jane has stated that she deletes her posts after 24 hours.

So I'd say there's not much point in talking to her.

Or, if you do, quote what she said (and her username and membership number), so what's left makes sense!

Tooty.

It doesnt bother me in the least.

Yep "sez me*.

Its the sites position to deal with threads that are double posted if they do not meet the required guidelines.

I know Janey that Jane doesn't stand by her posts and deletes after 24 hours.

I would just like to know where she stand on duplicate threads.

I may look like a numpty when she deletes but I would like a reply.

Sorry Jane I missed your previous post, I was only on the iPhone and thank you for answering. I agree that some just want their family tree presented to them without buying a certificate but when helpers post information they are only giving highly probable information and without the poster actually buying certificates and attaching census records etc.... Their tree remains supposition and not fact. Maybe this needs highlighting as we all make mistakes.

Kay, I can understand duplicate threads don't bother you but as a helper isn't it better to help the poster to get the best opportunity to get an answer to break through their brick wall which is surely keeping all the posts with information on together in one thread so all information is available.

I'm fine with it either way, however you did state on the deleted thread that you delete your posts after 24 hours, or maybe I misunderstood.

On that last question -- I can't imagine *not* acknowledging replies one receives in one's help request thread. I tend to get a bit effusive myself ...

I don't understand about having "nothing positive to add" to one's own help request thread -- one asks for help, people offer it ... one replies to what was said (this looks good, that doesn't quite fit ...) and says thanks?


(TF -- I may have said that about deleting posts & looking like numpties -- with a wink! -- before I saw your direct question, or at least wasn't thinking of it.)

I think all help should be acknowledged even if you then need time to go through it and check it is the right family. You should also copy and paste the information into a word document on your pc so that if someone does delete you have a copy to refer to. Because once it's gone, it's gone and the only way to retrieve it is to do the searches again.

My mouth is always getting me into trouble Janey because of me being so direct. I never mean to cause offence but am aware that on occasions it does. I should have guessed your post was tongue in cheek but in my defence I should have been fast asleep hours ago. Just realised I have to be up in five hours so I will say nite nite

I was one who added to the previous thread.

All I asked for was harmony within the boards between thread posters and those who replied.

However I was then questioned upon my motivation as to my posting as I did not give any constructive ideas how to solve the problem of duplicating threads.

Ok I did not give any constructive ideas ... mea culpa!! Neither did I have any immotive thoughts.

I did infact reply in my own naive way simply by adding my own thoughts constructive or not!

Having been on the other end some years ago...posting a question not a look up. The replies I received were in no doubt easy for those who were experienced...however they made me look a complete moron. It not nice to say the least to be put in that position and something I will never forget.

I was then computer illiterate and even now every day is still a learning curve for me.

Linda x

If someone has to even ask the question about whether or not they ought to say thank you for helpers efforts on a thread that they started, well, it says a great deal about them. Does anyone else have a short list of posters they actively avoid?

And so it goes on.......

To duplicate or not to duplicate.....that is the question!


It's not something I get easily het up about because I rarely do look ups - I'm too busy letting people know they have replies!


However, I can certainly understand the frustration caused to 'seasoned' helpers, but also have an amount of sympathy towards the new folk who are unaware of the 'correct' procedure.


Some of them, as indeed did I at one time, obviously think that the boards are independant of each other and, if you don't get a reply on one, you may get a reply on another.


I know....I know....I know........they should all read the guidelines etc. before they start posting but it's obvious that many don't. Even the drop down guidelines from GR seems to be being ignored.


People are just.......people! We are all different. We may see things from a different perspective to someone else. What is common sense to one is not, necessarily, common sense to another.


One of the people I messaged this week, sent me a pm telling me that she had seen her replies and would reply......at sometime in the future/when she had more time etc....I replied stating that some helpers may delete their work if it is not acknowleged.......so she started a new thread thanking them.


Now, my message contains step-by-step guidelines on how to respond on your thread but she had not taken them onboard! One may lead a horse.......etc.


I don't know what the answer to duplicate postings is and it may be that there simply isn't one that will solve the problem. As I said before, people are just.....people.........and there will always be those who get things wrong or do things badly.

Despite that, I still prefer to treat everyone, despite their failings, with courtesy and consideration. If I have to 'stand my corner', I try my best to do it in a courteous manner.....even if I am ready to 'blow a gasket' lol


Take care all. Cx

I have watched this and the previous debate with interest.
I suppose the defunct GR plan to have only a limited number of helpers in the clinic may have meant that the duplicate posts were ignored, as the helpers would know who was posting what. When helpers are jumping enthusiastically on all posts it's more likely that work will be duplicated.
I still think that a good moderator or 2 could move threads and join them together, and explain about replying to old posts etc. Then the posters would at least see what they were doing and have an explanation.

APC

The problem is that you can send in the same question to site management more than once and get different answers each time.

Or different people can send in the same question ... and may well get different answers.

That's because GR has different people who respond to questions, and sometimes they do not seem to be clear themselves on the meaning of rules and regulations.


That is, unless things have changed remarkably in the last few months.


As we have said many times before ...... things, and life, are not black and white, there are always grey areas.



sylvia

APC


I do agree that questions should be answered as asked


The problem comes when helpers cannot immediately find the information that you ask for


many of us then start to dig around to see if we can help


That may involve trying to get further information from you (or the questioner), or by trying to back track on censuses etc


You most certainly cannot claim that you were ignored and no-one tried to help you.


It may not have been what YOU wanted, but we tried


and never got thanked for anything, just abused by you.




sylvia

If somebody wants to offer themself up as a case in point, I'm happy to oblige.


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/tips_board/thread/1250312


[APC} 25th Nov 2010

Hello,
I have posted this name on GR before but was wondering if any one can offer any advice/info.

One ancestor of mine is proving to be very elusive and as his wife re-married in 1833 I am assuming he died.

These are the only details i have for him, they had one child Henrietta born 1822 and on her Marriage cert (where her name is down as Stoken Smith), Henry's occupation has been put down as HARP MAKER
>>> If i was to go to the parish in Marylebone, would they have a record of the marriage?

Name: Henry Stookensmith, Spouse Name: Sarah Dodson, Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 20 Jun 1819, Parish: Saint Marylebone, County: Middlesex, Borough: Westminster.

Name: Henry Stookensmith, Spouse Name: Sarah Dodson, Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Oct 1819, Parish: Saint Marylebone, County: Middlesex, Borough: Westminster

Many Thanks


Ann of Green Gables 25th Nov 2010

Henry Stookensmith
Spouse: Sarah Dodson
Marriage: 06 JUN 1819 St. Marylebone, London, England


Ann of Green Gables 25th Nov 2010

SARAH STOOKENSMITH
Spouse: HENRY WESSEL
Marriage: 01 SEP 1833 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England


MargaretManson 25th Nov 2010

Name: Henry Stookensmith
Spouse Name: Sarah Dodson
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1819
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster

Nothing much to add from the original except he couldn't sign his name, she could. Hard to make out witnesss names, Henry Raw??? and Elizabeth Bartle?
The June date that AGG posted was date of banns being read.


MargaretManson 25th Nov 2010

Henrietta's birth:

Name: Henrietta Caroline Stookensmith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1822
Baptism Date: 20 Oct 1822
Father's name: Henry Stookensmith
Mother's name: Sarah Stookensmith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets

But father was a carpenter, Address was Angel Alley.


[APC] 25th Nov 2010

Thank you Ann of Green Gables and MargaretManson,
i will just have to let this one slip thru.........
Thank you again


Kay???? 25th Nov 2010

A carpenter could have made Harps or anything of wood,,a carver/cabinet maker can be one of the same,,
Harp frames are made of wood....
just so you dont dismiss the above.


[APC] 25th Nov 2010

Thank you Kay,
He is my man, just have no idea where/when he was born,,,i have a feeling he is possibly German, just a possibility, especially a name like Stookensmith.


Kay???? 25th Nov 2010

Maybe smidt?==german =smith.


Joy (AKA Maid Marion and Joy Kentish Maid) 25th Nov 2010

Let me know if you would like to see the image of the parish register and I shall send it to you.

Name: Sarah Dodson
Spouse Name: Henry Stookensmith
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1819
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster


[APC] 25th Nov 2010

Oh yes please Joy, That is very kind of you.




You surely did try to limit that one to
"If i was to go to the parish in Marylebone, would they have a record of the marriage?"
-- didn't you???

You really should have told Joy to be off with her offers of unrelated information and records ...


"Why not answer the question, and tell them where to find what they are after, some people like doing their own research."

And then there are the people who post the same thing all over this site, and elsewhere on the internet, and pay no attention whatsoever to what is said to them, and just keep on asking the same thing over and over and never mentioning what they've been told already ...