Genealogy Chat

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STANLEY, Richard Head Married M 48 1853 Labourer Ship Yard
Poplar
Middlesex VIEW
STANLEY, Matilda Wife Married F 47 1854
Merton
Surrey VIEW
STANLEY, Harriett Daughter F 16 1885 Cook Shop Ass
Battersea
Surrey VIEW
STANLEY, Herbert Son M 10 1891
Poplar
London VIEW
STANLEY, Ethel Daughter F 8 1893
Poplar
London VIEW
STANLEY, Charles Son M 6 1895
Poplar
London VIEW
STANLEY, Dorothy Daughter F 4 1897
Poplar
London VIEW
STANLEY, Beatrice Daughter F 1 1900
Poplar
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
357 Folio:
148 Page:
24

Registration District:
Poplar Sub District:
Poplar Enumeration District:
32 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St John

Civil Parish:
Poplar Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Charles Terrace, Poplar County:
London

Rachel do let us all know, we do get involved with the families we look at. I suspect that maybe the girls were illigitimate but it seems odd that they should name their father as James Miller and pick the occupation of Printer.

I did wonder if the oldest 2 Sarah and Harriet were born to a different father and then their mother took up with James Miller and had Matilda and Rosina.
Good luck , Jennifer

hi Jennifer, thank you for that info I will. I sat and had a good look through the census last night and the only Rosina I could find in 1871 (found a birth for Rosina Miller Wandsworth in 1869 june which was the most likely, there wasnt a lot to choose from) which agrees with the date on the info earlier when she is staying with the Eves is a rosina whos father is down as George and they are living in Battersea 27 landseer street same address in 1881 but he is a carpenter. and another whos is living in portsea but born in dorset.. I also looked through all the james millers on the 1871 census's for london and found two printers but no children with any of the names we want. One of them was scottish, b 1828 and the other b 1829 essex both are living in St Giles. Its a mystery maybe Matilda is illigitimate . I will let you know how I get on with Wandsworth reg office . thank you again.x

Rachel what I would do is, yes try for Rosina's birth cert. But I would contact the local Reg office;

http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/info/323/birth-historical_searches/220/records_and_certificates

this is a very good site with info about how to get the certificate.

It says: Whether you call in person or write to us, if the record cannot be traced from the information supplied or it is not held in the Wandsworth Register Office, we will explain the position to you and give you any necessary guidance.

I would contact them, explain your dilemma and ask if they could check Rosina Miller's birth to see if the father was James Miller/Printer.

The GRO Index ref is no use to them but you could say that the birth was reg between April, May June of 1869 in Wandsworth district.

I have done this many times and in the main found that the reg Office staff are very helpful.

Good Luck, Jennifer

Presuming this is Marys birth reg??

Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
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Munro Mary Greenwich 1d 1102

The cert will give fathers name, which may make it easier to trace a marriage for Matilda and Mr. Munro {if indeed there was one?}...

If you then got the marriage cert. you could see what Matilda put for her fathers name....

Just a thought ..in 1911 they are in Greenwich, could Mr. Munro be at sea, or on board ship...??


Nicky

Oh Nicky, I'm pleased about that, makes you remember always to look at the image

Jennifer

quinsgran..

Beatrice is with the rest of the family in 1901....shes there on the image, but has been missed off the transcription on Ancestry..


Nicky

Can someone check for Beatrice Stanley age 1 born Poplar

She is on 1901censusonline in Poplar but I cant see who she is with

Hi, Do you think it would be worth me getting the birth certificate for Rosina?. It is an unusual name and it does look like she is related to Sarah Eves. I have trawled through all the BMD for 1855 to 1865 for all the Matildas again and the only place that is Merton is The Croydon one I already have with the copper lab on. The only other miller family I can find is the other certificate I have with marlybone and he is a navel guy definatley not a printer!. ( but the really odd thing is that they all havevirtually the same family names that Harriet , matildas daughter gives her children.) Thank you again it has given me a couple of new tracks to go down and has made me realise that there is so much more to be gleaned from these certificates. thank you rachx

baffled by this famiy!
eg where is Beatrice Stanley age 11 in 1911 in 1901?

where is Dorothy Stanley born c1897 in 1911?

where is Mr Munro?

this could be Rosina Miller in 1911 born Wandsworth, and Matilda who filled in the census herself in 1911 also says she born Wandsworth

ALDER, Mary Head Married F 65 1846 Somerset Frome VIEW
ALDER, Stanley Montague Son Single M 25 1886 Railway Signalman Dorset Sherborne VIEW
ALDER, Albert Henry Son Single M 24 1887 Stoker Gasworks Dorset Sherborne VIEW
>>MILLER, Rosina Lodger Single F 42 1869 Ironer Laundry Londn Wandsworth VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4485 Reference:
RG14PN4485 RG78PN185 RD63 SD2 ED3 SN64

Registration District:
Thanet Sub District:
Margate Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Westgate on Sea

Address:
4 Ques Terrace Waterworks Road Westgate - on - Sea

I agrre with Maureen, I don't think the birth cert you have is the correct one. I still think you should be looking for one with father a Printer.

Jennifer

This one has me stumped. 4 sisters and I can't find a likely birth or decent early census for any of them.

Just a feeling,but I don't think the birth cert is the correct one. Sorry.

Have you had a trawl through Search Trees to see if anyone is researching any of the other suspected siblings??

Good luck!

Maureen

Hi Guys, Phew! your amazing. thank you I have just read all your replys. (I sat with this on all night nearly and didnt see any replys come through so was so suprised when I switched on just now,) The Harriet matilda is my grandmother .and the matilda Im after is the one who in 1891 lives at manchester rd. That information about the marriages was interesting, if they are the same couple they must have been very young. i have had a couple of wrong certs for this matilda and the other matildas on the BMD sites dont seem to come from the right areas so I thought I had the correct one with Croydon. Do you think it is the wrong one then.? She does seem to appear as from wandsworth and merton on some. She was a servant I do believe from family lore. Thank you soo much for your replies. That was amazing what you did with the witness's. You really used all the information. The james miller jobs thing. I had a look at nelsons field and there does appear to be copper mills and printers so it could be feasible that he may change jobs. Regards Rachel

Richards death?

Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Stanley Richard 0 Chesterfield 7b 388
>>>>>Stanley Richard 47 Poplar 1c 335


but can`t find a marriage for Matilda to a Mr ? Munro....


Nicky

Matilda married again...might be worth getting the cert for fathers details?

1911

MUNRO, Matilda Wife Married
4 years F 20 1891 Wandsworth Surrey VIEW [age 50 on image]
STANLEY, Ethel Daughter Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Poplar Essex VIEW
STANLEY, Charles Son Single M 16 1895 Bootmaker's Assistant Poplar Essex VIEW
STANLEY, Beatrice Daughter F 11 1900 School Poplar Essex VIEW
STANLEY, Alfred Son M 6 1905 Poplar Essex VIEW
STANLEY, Ernest Son M 5 1906 Poplar Essex VIEW
MUNRO, Mary Daughter F 3 1908 Greenwich Kent VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2705 Reference:
RG14PN2705 RG78PN92 RD28 SD5 ED19 SN102

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Greenwich East Enumeration District:
19 Parish:
Greenwich

Address:
25 Sigismund St East Greenwich County:
London




Nicky

Just checked every house in the 1881 at Archel road fulham { the nearest I could find to Archill} but no sign of matilda or richard.

I see by 1901 Matilda is older than Richard.



Nicky

1901 mistranscribed:

Name: Mafalda Stanley
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Richard Stanley
Gender: Female
Where born: Merton, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Stanley 48
Mafalda Stanley 49 (Matilda)
Harriett Stanley 16
Herbert Stanley 10
Ethel Stanley 8
Charles Stanley 6
Dorothy Stanley 4

Wondering if James Miller is step father.?... so children listed on earlier census`s under different surname?


Nicky

the address on marr cert is 35 ??Archill Road and Richard is at 31 same street

I think this is her in 1891

Name: Matilda Stanley
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Richard Stanley
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Tower Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Stanley 32
Matilda Stanley 29
Harriett M Stanley 6
Herbert Richd Stanley 7