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Thanks again everyone. As we keep coming to this family and they are the closest match in terms of names I think it must be them. I can't find any other Charles Hill son of Charles Hill born 1898 in the Sheffield area. Machine fitter sounds very like engineer and Winnie could be a shortened version of Gwendoline it's not difficult to get to Gwennie then Winnie.
Looking at Smethwick on the map it is close to West Bromwich, plus my research in other parts of the family tells me that people did move around their area a lot in those days, probably for work as people needed to live close to their workplace. I've had a cursory look back at the family and it looks like Charles Snr's parents were from Bromsgrove which proves the point.
Thanks again everyone for all your efforts.

I have to admit to being very confused by the west midlands reg districts so someone who knows better may like to advise.

Can't understand why if the parents were both born Smethwick their marriage is registered in West Bromwich?

Julie

Same family 1901:

Name: Charles Hill
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Hill
Mother's Name: Sarah Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Staffordshire

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Hill 26 >>> Machine Fitter
Sarah Hill 26
Annie Hill 5
Charles Hill 3
Ada Hill 2
Kate Hill 3 Months

Julie

EDIT Registration district is Kings Norton so maybe that's the place to look for Charles' birth entry. This is almost certainly Kate in the March qtr of 1901, probably born January as the Census was taken on 31st March and she was 3 months old then.:

Births Mar 1901
Hill Kate King's N. 6c 486

Charles is 3 in 1901 and 13 in 1911 so possibly born late 1897?

Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
Hill Charles William King's N. 6c 473

Only doubt about that one is they later had a William.

This could be Winnie/Gwen:

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
Hill Gwendoline King's N. 6c 534

There are also Frank, Ada and Wilfred in the right time frame.


Reg info:

KING'S NORTON REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Worcestershire (1837-1912); Warwickshire (1912-24).
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.9.1924 (succeeded by Birmingham South district).
Sub-districts : Balsall Heath; Edgbaston; Harborne; King's Norton; Smethwick.
GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51); 6c (1852-1912); 6d (1912-24).

Registers now divided between Birmingham, Sandwell and Worcestershire districts.

Hope that helps!

Hi
From West Midlands BMD looks like Charles Hill married Sarah Turton:

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HILL Charles TURTON Sarah West Bromwich, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 25/6/372

Julie

perhaps this birth then
Name: Charles Hill
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Stafford
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 6

They come from a census record that Margaret found earlier as below. I do think it is the most likely. Whilst Charles was not listed as an engineer I have found that sometimes people gave the specfic job that they were doing in the census and in marriages the general profession was given(although I appreciate is a generalisation and may not always be the case)

1911

1911 census - household transcription
Person: HILL, Winnie
Address: 198 Arundel ST


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HILL, Charles Head Married M 35 1876 Tool Fitter Warwickshire Smithwick Nr Birm VIEW
HILL, Sarah Wife Married
15 years F 36 1875 Warwickshire Smithwick Nr Birm VIEW
HILL, Charles Son M 13 1898 School Warwickshire Smithwick Nr Birm VIEW
HILL, Ada Daughter F 12 1899 School Warwickshire Smithwick Nr Birm VIEW
HILL, Frank Son M 8 1903 School Warwickshire Smithwick Nr Birm VIEW
HILL, Winnie Daughter F 7 1904 School Warwickshire Smithwick Nr Birm VIEW
HILL, Wilfred Son M 5 1906 School Warwickshire Smithwick Nr Birm VIEW
HILL, William Son M 2 1909 Sheffield York VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27861 Reference:
RG14PN27861 RG78PN1594 RD510 SD1 ED13 SN50

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
South Sheffield Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
198 Arundel ST County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

This could have been the couples marriage although there are two Sarah's

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
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Cresswell William W. Bromwich 6b 1419
Griffin Sarah Ann W. Bromwich 6b 1419
Hill Charles W. Bromwich 6b 1419
Turton Sarah W. Bromwich 6b 1419

Thank you everyone for your efforts overnight. The list that Jan gave at 21.03 looks the most likely given the information I have from earlier on in this thread and discussions with my Nan. A lot of those names listed there fit. Can anyone tell me (I don't have access to 1911 census) where that family came from - were they all born in Sheffield?

Perhaps not as this Charles has a son but he is too old!
1901 seems to be the Charles with family but his son Charles is 14!!!
Name: Charles Hill
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Heeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Heeley Christchurch
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Hill 53
Sarah Hill 50
Jane Hill 19
Harry Hill 16
Charles Hill 14 he is engineer (something) then fitter
George Hill 11
Fred Hill 7

1871 census
Name: George Hill *the 1901 father*
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Hill
Mother's Name: Emma Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield


his brother* could this be your Charle's father?*

Name: Charles Hill
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Hill
Mother's Name: Emma Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield

Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Hill 50
Emma Hill 45
Charles Hill 24
Sarah A Hill 19
Emma Hill 18
George Hill 14
Henry Hill 12
Rowland Hill 9
Jane Hill 7
Ada Hill 5
Liloyer Hill 3
William Hill 22

I think this 1911 Hill family may be relatives to your Charles.
1901 census
George Hill
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Edith Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield St George
County/Island: Yorkshire


Name: George Hill *this is the1911 one*
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Hill
Mother's Name: Edith Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield St George
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
George Hill 44
Edith Hill 28
George Hill 20
Nellie Hill 14
Charles Hill 11
Dennie Hill 6

1911? NOT SURE IF THESE ARE ALL IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD
OUSEHOLD HILL CHARLES M 1876 35 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD HILL CHARLES M 1898 13 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD HILL FRANK M 1903 8 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD HILL JAMES M 1871 40 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD HILL SARAH F 1875 36 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD HILL WILFRED M 1906 5 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD HILL WILLIAM M 1909 2 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD HILL WINNIE F 1904 7 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding


HOUSEHOLD HILL ADA F 1899 12 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding

thanks K

There is this family - I can't see any other Hills in the street - Sadly father given as George in 1901


1911 census - address transcription

Address: 43 Bramwell St Sheffield

123 HILL, George Head Married
3 years M 30 1881 Engineers Driller Yorks Sheffield VIEW
123 HILL, Gertrude Wife Married F 27 1884 Machine File-Cutter Yorks Sheffield VIEW
123 HILL, Charles Brother Single M 21 1890 Scissor Grinder Yorks Sheffield VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27879 Reference:
RG14PN27879 RG78PN1595 RD510 SD2 ED12 SN123

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
North Sheffield Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
43 Bramwell St Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Find my past appears to be down at the moment

can anyone check for Hill's in Bramwell street (where he was on marriage cert) in 1911 census please

death's for some of these birth's? so could the last birth be the one??
Name: Charles Hill
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 404



Name: Charles Herbert Hill
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 434

So one of these then:-

Births Jun 1898
Hill Charles Sheffield 9c 600

Births Sep 1898
Hill Charles Herbert Sheffield 9c 674

Births Sep 1899
Hill Charles Sheffield 9c 534

If the name Herbert appears in the family then this is the most likely, otherwise I would go for the first one.

1901 Census anyone, to confirm age?

1911 i wonder? can anyone find the image details please
HOUSEHOLD HILL CHARLES M 1898 13 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding

OK, so he should be on the 1901 Census then. Given that he will only be about 2 or so, then his age should be fairly accurate.

Ok here goes:
April 2nd 1916 St Simons Church Sheffield
Charlie Hill - Age 18 - Occupation Engineer - Residence Bramwell St Sheffield - Father Charles Hill, Engineer
Florrie Barrass - Age 18 - Residence Sidney Street Sheffield- Father John Parkin Barrass, Sawsmith.
Witnesses Frank Stoddard (no idea who he is) and Ethel Barrass (Florrie's sister)